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Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by mixmastamyk »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #201
toomuchtodo wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uncompensated volunteers dropping support for a 7 year old device that is shortly going to be unsupported by the manufacturer isn't a rug pull. Entitlement can be wild, volunteers are volunteers. Consumers of volunteer output are free to support their use cases themselves on their own time. Find an ARM Mac used (like an M1) and upgrade.

> Find an ARM Mac used (like an M1) and upgrade. And throw away perfectly good hardware.

In general I agree, but recycling old power hungry gear may be better for the environment in the long term.

Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by mixmastamyk »

eu wrote: post #197
Grombobulous wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm probably the millionth person to parrot this to you but my goodness you are a hero if you can tolerate the Intel Mac experience in 2026. I thought my Intel Mac from that era was incredibly weird. Little firmware-ish things were so glitchy and sluggish. At some point the wake from sleep/lid open just took forever in ways that didn't happen on older Intel Mac models (or maybe I was going crazy). I just had this str…

If the old Intel Mac still works, what should one do? Dump it into a landfill?

Electronics recycling exists, plus a few dollars for the aluminum case.

Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by Grombobulous »

eu wrote: post #197
Grombobulous wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm probably the millionth person to parrot this to you but my goodness you are a hero if you can tolerate the Intel Mac experience in 2026. I thought my Intel Mac from that era was incredibly weird. Little firmware-ish things were so glitchy and sluggish. At some point the wake from sleep/lid open just took forever in ways that didn't happen on older Intel Mac models (or maybe I was going crazy). I just had this str…

If the old Intel Mac still works, what should one do? Dump it into a landfill?

I sell all my previous devices on second hand markets like eBay. That question becomes "not my problem:" whoever else is buying it has some kind of use case even though I am done with the system and it no longer fits my use case anymore.

I think that, for the parent commenter to my original comment, this Intel Mac no longer fits their use case. They can fight it and suffer or get the right tool for the job. I'm sure the person who buys it from them won't care that the current version of Homebrew doesn't work on it.

Intel Macs run Linux very well, I might add.

It should also be noted that, yes, most electronics eventually get scrapped for parts and raw materials. It doesn't really take all that long for important components to fail to a point where a computer is not really worth dealing with anymore. Yes, they can be repaired in many cases, but that's only generally worth it to a small group of vintage enthusiasts (and I say this as someone who very much enjoys vintage computing myself).

Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by jcastro »

ryandrake wrote: post #207
toomuchtodo wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uncompensated volunteers dropping support for a 7 year old device that is shortly going to be unsupported by the manufacturer isn't a rug pull. Entitlement can be wild, volunteers are volunteers. Consumers of volunteer output are free to support their use cases themselves on their own time. Find an ARM Mac used (like an M1) and upgrade.

As I replied in another comment[1], it's their software, their choice. Homebrew devs are doing the volunteer work, so they get to decide the support period and when to pull the rug out. I'll still shake my fists about it, because it's personally my biggest problem with the entire software industry's attitude, not just open source. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49687331

You're right, expecting other people to do your work for your for free is indeed a problem with the industry!

Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #205
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Find an ARM Mac used (like an M1) and upgrade. And throw away perfectly good hardware.

If it no longer is supported by software, it’s no longer perfectly good. Certainly, if you want to spend your time on supporting unsupported hardware based on personal belief, that’s a choice, and it’s your time. Compare to the cost of replacing the hardware. Time is not free, it is the ultimate non renewable resource. We are all slowly dying one day at a time, is that how you want to spend your time? Recycle old gea…

>We are all slowly dying one day at a time, is that how you want to spend your time?

Mindless consumption isn't going to extend your life.

Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by eviks »

mikemcquaid wrote: post #35
aydgn wrote: post #13

Farewell, Homebrew. It's been a good run. - 2019 Intel iMac user.

Sorry we couldn’t support this for longer :( From the release notes: > The Intel support decision reflects the limits of a volunteer-run project: Apple have dropped Intel x86_64 support from macOS 27 Golden Gate and GitHub Actions will retire Intel macOS runners in autumn 2027. If Apple and Microsoft’s GitHub, two of the world’s largest technology companies, cannot continue supporting macOS Intel x86_64, sadly neithe…

> GitHub Actions will retire Intel macOS runners in autumn 2027

But why drop before that?

Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by frumplestlatz »

jezek2 wrote: post #54
mikemcquaid wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry we couldn’t support this for longer :( From the release notes: > The Intel support decision reflects the limits of a volunteer-run project: Apple have dropped Intel x86_64 support from macOS 27 Golden Gate and GitHub Actions will retire Intel macOS runners in autumn 2027. If Apple and Microsoft’s GitHub, two of the world’s largest technology companies, cannot continue supporting macOS Intel x86_64, sadly neithe…

How come that MacPorts supports macOS versions all the way back to 10.5 Leopard in the latest version?

They've never actively disallowed it, and volunteers have been happy to maintain it.

Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by toomuchtodo »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #216
toomuchtodo wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it no longer is supported by software, it’s no longer perfectly good. Certainly, if you want to spend your time on supporting unsupported hardware based on personal belief, that’s a choice, and it’s your time. Compare to the cost of replacing the hardware. Time is not free, it is the ultimate non renewable resource. We are all slowly dying one day at a time, is that how you want to spend your time? Recycle old gea…

>We are all slowly dying one day at a time, is that how you want to spend your time? Mindless consumption isn't going to extend your life.

Tinkering and building for fun brings joy, joy is the point of life. Tinker mindfully. “Tinker and build what matters, to you.”

Re: Homebrew 7.0.0

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Post by angry_octet »

dezgeg wrote: post #81
lrvick wrote: post #27

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How is that any different from PyPI, npm, cargo, etc?

They are all significant risks, and we pay significant money to JFrog for their X-ray product to scan and alert on bad dependencies, and significant internal tooling to track which package was used on which developer enclaves.
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