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Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by bawolff »

qsort wrote: post #10
hakunin wrote: post #2

I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.

Quoting from the official website: >>>>>> The new procedure targets inappropriate behavior by parents and spectators directed at children, coaching staff members, referees, match officials, or other parents and spectators. This includes, but is not limited to: Verbal abuse (insults or profanity), as well as physical assault or shoving of one’s own children; Verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of staff members…

..physical assault or shoving of one’s own children

damn. I feel like ideally the police or CPS should be called. Forfeiting the game seems like a mild consequence.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by Someone »

nekusar wrote: post #28

New way to bully unlocked: join as spectator and throw slurs to force game closure. In reality, the game needs paused, and to forcably eject bad actors, then resume game.

FTA: “The black card being brandished will be the final part of a three-step process. In the first instance, the referee will temporarily suspend the match and ask coaches to speak directly to its team’s supporters and parents, while an announcement will also be communicated to supporters should a public address system be available.”

So, that’s exactly what step one of this is: a signal to the crowd “behave yourself/make the bad actors behave themselves”.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by [deleted] »

lacunary wrote: post #18
Fred27 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's anything like the UK then it's likely the games are played in a public space like a park, so it might not be possible to eject the parent.

I don't buy it. You can kick someone out of a park for not following the rules of the park. The refs just need to be empowered.

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Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by jeffrallen »

The attitudes and behaviors at my son's U9 matches in Switzerland are so distasteful I started inventing excuses to not go until eventually my wife went to a tournament. She came home and said, "so that's why you don't want to go any more, huh?"

Youth football is a plague on children. My other children were smart enough to choose tennis and horses. I'm counting the games until my son realizes football is cesspool and asks to do literally anything else.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by chneu »

steveBK123 wrote: post #22
Loughla wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If that's the situation in, and it can't be stressed enough, a children soccer game It's not extremely common in my area, but it is more common than you would think. Parents treat their children like lottery tickets when it comes to athletics. And God help you if you're the unfortunate umpire at a travel league game that makes a questionable call. The youth sports industry is fucking gross and nobody seems to notice…

I umpired baseball in my early teens and even 30 years ago it was bad. Grown men getting into the face of 14 years old umpires over calls, at games for kids barely out of tee-ball. It just doesn’t matter that much. I remember a coach who would flip over 20 gallon coolers and send ice and drinks flying in the dugout.. in front of his team of 10 years old umpires olds.

I officiated basketball, baseball, softball and volleyball about 15-20 years ago on the west coast.

It was bad then. So many drunk parents in baseball. I tossed parents from basketball games for cussing at their kids. Volleyball was pretty chill tho.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by derefr »

daveguy wrote: post #35

Result is a permanent cancellation? Does that mean the match is nullified or the winner at the time wins? Either way, one team could draw a strategic black card. Seems like cancellation of the match is not the correct outcome. What about penalizing the harassing team? A red card result for the team (down a player for the next game). This seems like an odd way to handle abusive behavior from parents. Abandoning the cu…

Why are you assuming abuse by parents is solely being targeted at the opposing team’s players? Parents may just as well be shouting at their own kid for what they see as “sub-optimal” play, and at their kid’s teammates for what they see as “getting in their kid’s way.”

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by enaaem »

hakunin wrote: post #2

I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.

Happened last week in the Netherlands. The home team (FC Utrecht) played terrible. They were down 3-1. Hooligans threw fireworks on the pitch and the match got suspended. The match was resumed three days later. Utrecht played much better en got a 3-3 draw.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by jdeibele »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #6

> The black card being brandished will be the final part of a three-step process. In the first instance, the referee will temporarily suspend the match and ask coaches to speak directly to its team’s supporters and parents, while an announcement will also be communicated to supporters should a public address system be available. > Should the behaviour continue, the referee will suspend the match for 10 minutes and se…

I referee volleyball. Our instructions are to get the home team - preferably the athletic director or somebody similar but ultimately the home coach if there's no one else - to do something about somebody behaving in an unacceptable way.

We're advised not to act too friendly with coaches because some people might think we're favoring their team. Involving the coach if you don't have to might create the opposite impression, that you're upset with the coach or team.

I've never experienced or heard of this being an issue in volleyball. I'm sure it's happened, particularly at the club level where parents are paying big money for their kids to play. Other sports, particularly basketball or football, it definitely happens.

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by bluGill »

shpx wrote: post #21

You can't start doing this, the only way it ends is with a full rainbow deck of cards that the referee has to spend 5 minutes digging through every time someone gets tripped.

Long before it gets that far, soccer needs to end in the country.

For most people, soccer is a fun, pass time, and they are not abusive, and things work well. Overall there are enough cases of abuse that they have to go one step down the slippery slope and do something. That doesn't mean they have to go all the way. I don't know where the future will go. I suspect and hope that this is as far as it ever goes. But if things continue getting worse, maybe Romania has to say, 'that's enough. We're not going to do soccer anymore'.

And I'm serious about Romania completely stopping soccer in a country if things continue to get worse after this. Now there's probably a few other rules that they will need to adjust and tweak over the years, but if abusive fans and or abusive parents continue as a problem that means that the people of the country can't handle the game. No more Romania Intl the World Cup. They're not going to send a team because they don't allow soccer anymore.

Don't let it get that far. Whatever sport you do. Cheer when the opposing team makes a good play. Congratulate to the on a win.

I can accept bad officials as long as they're unbiased. As long as they're making bad calls against both teams or missing calls against both teams, I can deal with that. It's when the official is biased and making calls against one team that they're going to let go for the other team, that's when I have a problem. However you deal with that at the league level not in a game

Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

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Post by smugglerFlynn »

jeffrallen wrote: post #44

The attitudes and behaviors at my son's U9 matches in Switzerland are so distasteful I started inventing excuses to not go until eventually my wife went to a tournament. She came home and said, "so that's why you don't want to go any more, huh?" Youth football is a plague on children. My other children were smart enough to choose tennis and horses. I'm counting the games until my son realizes football is cesspool and…

   > My other children were smart enough to choose tennis and horses
I am giving you a black card warning right there, sir
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