You can't start doing this, the only way it ends is with a full rainbow deck of cards that the referee has to spend 5 minutes digging through every time someone gets tripped.
Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
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Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quoting from the official website: >>>>>> The new procedure targets inappropriate behavior by parents and spectators directed at children, coaching staff members, referees, match officials, or other parents and spectators. This includes, but is not limited to: Verbal abuse (insults or profanity), as well as physical assault or shoving of one’s own children; Verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of staff members…
>If that's the situation in, and it can't be stressed enough, a children soccer game It's not extremely common in my area, but it is more common than you would think. Parents treat their children like lottery tickets when it comes to athletics. And God help you if you're the unfortunate umpire at a travel league game that makes a questionable call. The youth sports industry is fucking gross and nobody seems to notice…
I umpired baseball in my early teens and even 30 years ago it was bad.
Grown men getting into the face of 14 years old umpires over calls, at games for kids barely out of tee-ball. It just doesn’t matter that much.
I remember a coach who would flip over 20 gallon coolers and send ice and drinks flying in the dugout.. in front of his team of 10 years old umpires olds.
Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's anything like the UK then it's likely the games are played in a public space like a park, so it might not be possible to eject the parent.
I don't buy it. You can kick someone out of a park for not following the rules of the park. The refs just need to be empowered.
There is nobody to do that. And nobody to make sure they don’t just come straight back.
Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I imagine this is the referee's call; a ref ought to know better than to abort the game because the losing team is throwing a tactical tantrum.
That's placing a lot of faith in the maturity and tactical awareness of a teenager. I don't know about the games in Romania, but here in the US, the youth soccer referees are mostly older youths.
In the US, only the youngest games have teenage refs (U10 and younger). And even then, it is only common in the lower competitive tiers. Competitive travel/select league games generally have adult refs (national and regional leagues).
The money is pretty decent for two hours of work (and you can work games back to back to back).
Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's anything like the UK then it's likely the games are played in a public space like a park, so it might not be possible to eject the parent.
I don't buy it. You can kick someone out of a park for not following the rules of the park. The refs just need to be empowered.
I doubt many refs want this responsibility, even if it were feasible. And I don't think it is feasible in most cases. For instance, how is the ref going to pick out the problem fans while also managing the game itself? And how is the ref supposed to enforce the removal?
Keep in mind these refs are often volunteers, working solo, have no official connection to the teams or field owners.
And there is a ref shortage virtually everywhere, at all levels and sports. Making it more difficult just isn't realistic.
Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#26You can't start doing this, the only way it ends is with a full rainbow deck of cards that the referee has to spend 5 minutes digging through every time someone gets tripped.
Did you really pull the "slippery slope" on a change for children football matches to safeguarding them from abuse from spectators?
Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#27I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.
I imagine this is the referee's call; a ref ought to know better than to abort the game because the losing team is throwing a tactical tantrum.
The ref is impartial and their only job is to manage the game according to law. If a team's fans are misbehaving to the point the game must be abandoned, it doesn't matter one iota to the ref if those fans are tanking on purpose. The league can deal with that.
Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#28New way to bully unlocked: join as spectator and throw slurs to force game closure.
In reality, the game needs paused, and to forcably eject bad actors, then resume game.
Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's placing a lot of faith in the maturity and tactical awareness of a teenager. I don't know about the games in Romania, but here in the US, the youth soccer referees are mostly older youths.
In the US, only the youngest games have teenage refs (U10 and younger). And even then, it is only common in the lower competitive tiers. Competitive travel/select league games generally have adult refs (national and regional leagues). The money is pretty decent for two hours of work (and you can work games back to back to back).
Your comment implies the youth refs are the exception, but the VAST majority of play are at these lower competitive levels, and it is FAR more common to have youth or inexperienced refs than otherwise.
Re: Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents
#30I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.
Safety is far more important than deciding who won a youth match