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Post by Daishiman »

Planktonne wrote: post #241
socalgal2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it as those who learn to use AI effectively are seeing massive benefits. Those that haven't seen those benefits are still skeptical. Someone who's seen the benfits, knows, with proof, the benefits exist. They're like Copernicus who realized the plants go around the sun, not the earth. The others are still like those who look up, see the planets go around the sky, and can't believe the earth is not at the center…

> those who learn to use AI effectively are seeing massive benefits The massive benefits should be visible to outside observers as well, but where are they?

Yes. People see orgs tackling more problems and resolving bugs faster.

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Post by sitzkrieg »

uncomputation wrote: post #340

Really embarrassing to see Carmack fall so low and have such little respect for the art of programming he once advanced. Unlike swords and martial arts in combat, code is still needed. It’s not like there’s some new medium that doesn’t use code at all. It’s just a question of who is writing that code: a human or a statistical model. Guns superseded swords, cars superseded horses, but coding agents haven’t superseded…

how the mighty have fallen. maybe he finally got tired of it with the years but never realized it

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Post by 0trip »

throwaway893257 wrote: post #71
glimshe wrote: post #3

We are going from the era of manual, line-by-line mental model transcription to one where software engineers can focus on data structures, software architecture and algorithms. I love being able to quickly bring out the program that is already running in my head without having to worry about the grind of typing it into a format that the compiler understands. Dealing with API names. Syntax. Language quirks. Library go…

> We are going from the era of manual, line-by-line mental model transcription to one where software engineers can focus on data structures, software architecture and algorithms. I prefer an AI that is good at data structures, architecture and algorithms. Then, finally, no more leetcode.

leetcode and data structures are 2 different things. Just like a marathon and jogging in the park

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

sriram_malhar wrote: post #324
Razengan wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a world without the poison of social media No radio, no newspapers, no town criers, no gossip at the alewife's house? > I don't have a better plan for humanity. I only have fear. So your best move is to go around spreading that fear without offering ways to fix shit or inspiring anyone else to do so?

C'mon, you know better than to invoke a slippery slope. My best move is to influence the people I care about to reduce dependence on these things and seek happiness in non-tech things (where tech is defined as those controlled by corporations), from community, live life from first principles. You are forcing me to answer a strange binary ... propose a fix for the world at large, or let me continue with all this shit.…

I would like to recommend, to both of you, Sarah Wilson’s I Eat the Stars: How to Live Fully and Beautifully in a Collapsing World. I am heartened that both of you are still trying to find solutions. -https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/241715900

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Post by ericmcer »

Razengan wrote: post #81
sriram_malhar wrote: post #31

Everyone who writes enthusiastically about AI already has the benefit of having worked without AI. They have been schooled in the basics. Enough of us know about data structures, concurrency, networks, language design etc. from the ground up that the knowledge is passed on. I worry about the world that we will be living in when a whole generation has skipped learning the basics the hard way. Given the attendance rate…

> I worry about the world that we will be living in when a whole generation has skipped learning the basics the hard way. Have you been schooled in farming? Raising livestock? Milking cattle? Does your ability to cook good food depend upon your ability to till soil and sow seeds? I don't mean that in ass way but re: what other comments said: > it feels like a rich getting richer scenario in all aspects of society Tha…

The tooling for industrial farming is reliable on the scale of millions though, and the same for any other innovation that has replaced older ways of working. AI is in a weird place because it is not 100% reliable, and we do not know if it ever will be, but we also do not know if it will eventually good enough to where we are irrelevant.

If tractors plowed reliably 95% of the time, but unless carefully monitored the other 5% of the time they would blow a big hole in the ground, it would be difficult to abandon your shovel entirely.

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Post by dartharva »

tkel wrote: post #29

Ironically, this post comes off as out of touch. The purpose of the various martial arts isn't just to win in a life-or-death brawl or murder people as efficiently as possible. Similarly, the point of programming isn't just to generate as much code as possible, or only to be more "productive".

> The purpose of the various martial arts isn't just to win in a life-or-death brawl or murder people as efficiently as possible

That's a retroactively-applied justification to save the embarrassment for martial arts that don't make the cut for modern CQB.

Re: Don't be the out of touch Kung Fu master

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Post by dtj1123 »

glimshe wrote: post #3

We are going from the era of manual, line-by-line mental model transcription to one where software engineers can focus on data structures, software architecture and algorithms. I love being able to quickly bring out the program that is already running in my head without having to worry about the grind of typing it into a format that the compiler understands. Dealing with API names. Syntax. Language quirks. Library go…

Would you mind elaborating on where exactly the boundary between vibe coding and AI assisted coding lies?

Re: Don't be the out of touch Kung Fu master

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Post by dartharva »

PostOnce wrote: post #88

John Carmack is a personal hero of mine, so it pains me to say this: Carmack hasn't produced anything noteworthy since AI was invented, therefore, how productive can it really be? It could be he is doing incredible work in private... but it could also be that he's lost in the weeds, because AI is so counterproductive while feeling the opposite? I remain a skeptic.

I mean.. I'd bet he has certainly made a lot more money since AI arrived than he did before

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Post by archagon »

glimshe wrote: post #3

We are going from the era of manual, line-by-line mental model transcription to one where software engineers can focus on data structures, software architecture and algorithms. I love being able to quickly bring out the program that is already running in my head without having to worry about the grind of typing it into a format that the compiler understands. Dealing with API names. Syntax. Language quirks. Library go…

AI is not an abstraction and is not like moving up from assembly at all.
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