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Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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I think the long term solution to the privacy problem is going to be to switch to a vehicle marking system which can only be usefully used by law enforcement. Example, if instead of license plates you had a transponder that sends out encrypted metadata about the vehicle in a way that only law enforcement could decrypt it. Obviously there are still problems of abuse of law enforcement keys but it raises the bar significantly and it prevents private companies from building a business out of collecting the data.

You introduce a new problem, which is that eyewitness reports of crimes etc can’t identify the vehicles as easily, but that could be viewed as an acceptable loss. Or the problem could conceivably be solved with more technology if we can have dynamically changing license plates (which, again, require law enforcement keys to map back to a real identity for the vehicle).

The only other way I see is that we change laws so that a company like flock collecting this data and then offering it to the government is treated the same as if the government collected it itself. But now that the cat is out of that bag and there is big money behind it, I don’t really see it going back.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

#232

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I understand what you mean but I do not think the answer is to disengage. They will not stop. HN is an amazing place with brilliant people. I have been wrong so many times here and I own it; the amazing thing is the grace I have been shown, the support and all of the ways the community here has made me a better, more knowledgable person.

HN is not an amazing place with brilliant people. It's an echo chamber full of self-important piles of dogshit. The real world is amazing... but this is a place for self-centered douche canoes like yourself to masturbate to your own imagined greatness. It's a place for assholes. It's a place for people whose fathers fucked up badly.

> It's a place for assholes

Sounds like you're contributing to your own narrative here. The only self-centered douche canoe of a comment I see in this thread is from you.

HN has its share of good & bad, but I've generally enjoyed talking to some of the people on this site; much more than sites like Reddit which imo fit your description much much better.

Also.... who hurt you?

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Most jobs are imoral. If we were to do only the moral ones… we’d have probably 75% unemployment or something like that.

This is the kind of thing that someone knowing they are doing bad things at their job says to justify it to themselves. It’s not true. You can go find something worthwhile to do instead.

How would hackernews visitors support their lifestyle then?

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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US citizens are bad at protesting. In my area these cameras would be on fire weekly.

In Florida, we just talked to our reps and got them banned from the entire state. It was easy and didn’t require protests at all.

Florida did not ban Flock cameras from the entire state.

They revoked permits for all license plate readers, including Flock, from state roads.

Local roads are unaffected by this order.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/florida-bans-flock-li...

> Monday’s order did not affect cameras on private property or on local rights-of-way — where 98% of the surveillance cameras are located

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Well, when you’re on the clock, you’re an agent of that company. And when you’re installing an indiscriminate mass-surveillance camera, calling the police on someone that’s video recording you is kind of bananas. Perhaps you don’t find that to be an interesting event, but a lot of people who are rightfully angry at the non-consensual deployment of a mass surveillance network disagree.

It's not bananas. It happens all the time. The police show up, check things out, and inform the caller that the person recording has a right to do so. In this case, it's even less bananas, because the people recording him were literally following him around, which is not what generally happens in these "audit" scenarios where someone parks themselves on the street outside a restaurant or bank. There's pretty clearly…

The key point here is hypocrisy. The very evident double standard.

A person holding a camera and following you around is an emergency or at the very least a suspicious act worthy of investigation and possible arrest.

A person attaching hundreds of thousands of cameras to poles calling the police to report this act is what is noteworthy.

Its not clickbait in the normal sense of overselling a series of un-noteworthy events IMHO.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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TIL that 911 (Emergency Services) is how one should report a stolen bicycle.

Happy to help. 911 is the primary "call for service" channel for most police departments.

I've personally never come across a police department or sherrif in the U.S. that doesn't have a non emergency number. I'd assume thats what you should call for things that aren't an emergency? They've never told me to call back and call 911.
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