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Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by itsanaccount »

stickfigure wrote: post #76
gleezard wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait til you find out what money does to people.

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Here in rural Michigan its bipartisan against flock. Sheriff rolled it out on Monday and ended the 90 day trial on Friday. Next weeks road commissioner meeting revoked the permit for em on the right of way.

Which is to say our cops are pro-flock but they've gotten too much heat from them from a largely uneducated public.

Meanwhile I've recently seen a rural Tennessee sheriff drop their contract when they found they were lied to about the data sharing.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by snarf21 »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #49
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #35

Flock has solved crimes in my state, including a few horrendous violent crimes. We forget US society was configured (imperfectly) to allow families to raise their children in stability and safety, with guardrails around both sides of liberty. Surveillance has a legit role in protecting communities and their families - especially the most vulnerable. Willing to be most of the Flock hate crowd doesn't have kids walking…

I tend to agree that when used correctly, a surveillance system like this could have benefits at a societal level. The problem is the many stories we already have of misuses of this equipment, showing that people in power are not mentally capable of actually managing a surveillance system like this in a societally beneficial way. If the use of the system was designated as only being allowed to stop heinous crimes and…

The problem is that these system are setup specifically to be able to be used incorrectly. Flock is getting all the rage right now but they aren't the only vendor. An acquisition and rename later and everyone will have forgotten this all. Police (others?) are setting up stingrays. Stalin's secret police had a maxim: "Show me the man, and I'll find you the crime." Remember, everyone who installed a Ring doorbell camera paid to help set up these kinds of networks. (all so that a porch pirate might get caught even though Amazon will reship for free). These systems also set up a huge target for bad actors to hack outside of the law.

If these things were only ever used with the a valid search warrant, that would be a great step forward. But even that will only stop "honest" people from abusing the system.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by Avicebron »

stickfigure wrote: post #76
gleezard wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait til you find out what money does to people.

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Not even remotely true. People loathe the surveillance state, it takes a special kind of evil to support a panopticon.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by ck2 »

the weird thing about anti-flock is they are just replaced with another brand

also they are just putting 24/7 recorders now in police vehicles and even delivery services

so you can't just be anti-flock, you have to be anti-recording without policy for use and retention

your phone and even your watch may be recording your audio right now

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by WarmWash »

thejazzman wrote: post #47
WarmWash wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blantantly making stuff up is a bad look, they were founded as an HOA (private neighborhood) security service. >Flock’s camera and accompanying software is geared towards private neighborhoods and neighborhood associations looking to decrease petty crime.[1] [1] https://www.hypepotamus.com/flock-safety-funding-round-growt...

YC won’t invest unless you convince them you’re potentially $100B company. The scope is always the largest possible audience…

Well until there is solid evidence of them wanting a government mass surveillance apperatus, I'm not gonna grab a pitchfork.

I've been on the internet too long to give credence to people who resort to conspiracy when data doesn't fit their desired narrative.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by jasonlotito »

gruez wrote: post #84
HNhelpsFlock wrote: post #78

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>look at all the high rep accounts that immediately defend it As opposed to all the new accounts (uncharitably: sockpuppet accounts) that are criticizing it?

Old accounts criticize it too and are opposed to it as well. Accounts like yours, I don't know where they stand, but old accounts definitely don't like Flock.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by HNhelpsFlock »

card_zero wrote: post #82
HNhelpsFlock wrote: post #73

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I just don't like moral distortions. Is YC in control of Flock or responsible for their choices? Who are "them", what are we ignorant about and why is it Marxism?

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Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by WarmWash »

orangeberrytea wrote: post #89
WarmWash wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blantantly making stuff up is a bad look, they were founded as an HOA (private neighborhood) security service. >Flock’s camera and accompanying software is geared towards private neighborhoods and neighborhood associations looking to decrease petty crime.[1] [1] https://www.hypepotamus.com/flock-safety-funding-round-growt...

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I'm pretty sure HOAs would honestly want that, and I don't think the anyone would care about pocket networks in private communities.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by hammock »

tptacek wrote: post #21

Random people calling 911 on other people filming them is a staple of Youtube; banks, coffee store workers, hairdressers, most especially restaurant managers. I don't know why anyone would expect technicians from Flock to be different. It's worse for the technician in this case, because he really was being followed --- that's not unlawful but it's unnerving. You'd think from the response that this was like the VP/Sal…

> it's just some installer dude probably making $65k/year to climb poles and fasten cameras

I find it hard to be persuaded by the salary idea. A hitman who works for $100 is just as bad as one who works for $10,000.

In fact other immoral activities work the opposite, bizarrely (a whore who works for $100 is worse than one who works for $10,000)

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