Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email

Post by tsotha » Wed, Dec 26, 2012, 5:33 AM UTC

woah wrote: post #3

ghayes wrote: post #2

I wish we would treat cyberspace analogues of established property with the same respect given to the original. For example, your e-mail inbox is the online equivalent of your mailbox. Yet, one being "on your lawn" and the other "at Google's data-center," all bets are off. While I believe the Supreme Court should do better job at explicitly addressing this (for instance, "responsible expectation of privacy" establish…

There is nothing about monitoring our email that is necessary for security. The war on terror is a giant hoax, more people are killed every year choking on peanut butter. Members of the government are always reaching for more and more control over our lives and power to watch us.

Post by plainsman » Wed, Dec 26, 2012, 5:37 AM UTC

shawn-butler wrote: post #30

ghayes wrote: post #2

I wish we would treat cyberspace analogues of established property with the same respect given to the original. For example, your e-mail inbox is the online equivalent of your mailbox. Yet, one being "on your lawn" and the other "at Google's data-center," all bets are off. While I believe the Supreme Court should do better job at explicitly addressing this (for instance, "responsible expectation of privacy" establish…

The Sixth Disctrict court of appeals did address this directly in US v Warshak [0]. What this scare article does a good job of is confusing the reader. Unopened email left on a 3rd party server for longer than 180 days was considered discarded or abandoned property. Discarded physical property has never retained a reasonable expectation of privacy (for instance, the police are free to dumpster dive once your property…

Post by plainsman » Wed, Dec 26, 2012, 5:45 AM UTC

paulsutter wrote: post #81

shawn-butler wrote: post #30

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The Sixth Disctrict court of appeals did address this directly in US v Warshak [0]. What this scare article does a good job of is confusing the reader. Unopened email left on a 3rd party server for longer than 180 days was considered discarded or abandoned property. Discarded physical property has never retained a reasonable expectation of privacy (for instance, the police are free to dumpster dive once your property…

Anything we can do to proactively claim or declare our emails older than 180 days to be not discarded and not abandoned? Or move them to a new server periodically so that they aren't stored in a server for more than 180 days? From Wikipedia [1]: "Property is generally deemed to have been abandoned if it is found in a place where the true owner likely intended to leave it, but is in such a condition that it is apparen…

Post by gnaritas » Wed, Dec 26, 2012, 6:00 AM UTC

cglace wrote: post #67

gnaritas wrote: post #56

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> Is there really actual fear today in a western country? Have you met the republican party? Their entire base lives off fear. > I think actual fear would have to come from injuries to someone you know and can feel empathy towards. It's not fear of death or injury, but fear of "other", of change, of being marginalized.

> Have you met the republican party? Their entire base lives off fear. First off not all in the republican party can be characterized this way. You are painting with very broad strokes. Many turn the republican party because they are the closest they can get to their economic beliefs. > It's not fear of death or injury, but fear of "other", of change, of being marginalized. Do you honestly believe this? Do you get yo…

Post by gnaritas » Wed, Dec 26, 2012, 6:08 AM UTC

jamesmcn wrote: post #75

gnaritas wrote: post #53

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Of course, but that fear that enables the war is the same fear the war is meant to eliminate, the fear caused by the initial terror attack. 911 scared the hell out of people, enough to allow some dreadful laws to be passed, but out of fear people do stupid things to try and feel safe again. The TSA doesn't make us safe, but it made most feel safer, at least initially.

Using war to cure terror is like using cyanide to cure a headache. Osama bin Laden would have killed more Americans by investing in Ford and GM+. And after the bailout, he would have made a profit too! + I'm not picking on Ford or GM here, they make fine cars. But automobiles kill far more people every year than terrorism has in the last decade.