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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by antibarbarus »

I’m seeing that the old mantra is alive and kicking: "If the product is cheap/free, you are the product! Pay for the product!" Turns out that now both is true—they’ll charge you a steep price comparative to other brands, and they’ll _still_ spy on you. Why are some still defending corporations?

It’s incredible how these brands are, one by one, destroying any affinity and good will left for them (LG, Sony, Microsoft, etc.). Nowadays whenever I hear a company has a custom OS I think custom what? Custom tracking and ad pipeline? This just makes me turn elsewhere entirely, not want to "upgrade" to an even more expensive product that _might_ not track me. Might isn’t good enough.

I’ll take a cheap TCL panel with all the latest bells and whistles, and be done with it. Sure, the software will be janky, but it will be cheap and just as good at showing moving pictures, if not better. If I suspect something nefarious, I’ll get an old Android box and install a rooted system on there that I control, and use that instead of the inbuilt Android TV. But I _won’t_ be paying extra for the trouble.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by tomkarho »

I wonder if the following scenario ever occurred inside LG when they were designing this spyware.

1. Teenagers exist

2. Teenagers hook up with other teenagers

3. Sometimes that might happen on the couch in front of the TV

If that TV records and transmits anything, who is on the hook for production and distribution of illicit materials? The parents? The kids? Or LG?

PR/legal wise this might be the worst case scenario and might even get some of those legislators and law enforcement people interested.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by Hikikomori »

sixothree wrote: post #115
forestry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s stopping you from disconnecting it from wifi mow?

You're making a huge assumption that it does not remember wifi passwords and that it would actually honor your request. You're assuming it does not communicate with/via other LG devices owned by neighbors. You're assuming it does not communicate via partner apps on mobile and other partner devices over other protocols. You're assuming they won't eventually simply add cellular modems to circumvent all of this.

You're making a lot of assumptions that would be easy to find out if true.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by utopiah »

masklinn wrote: post #117
utopiah wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no ... I think you do actually want those. It's quite amazing to receive a notification from your dryer that it finished its cycle. What you do not want instead is : - being mandatory - requiring a proprietary application - expecting the app to force onto you services - expecting the setup to fail and making the hardware unusable over time because honestly when it does work, it's great. It's really not the feature…

> I think you do actually want those. No, I rather know I do not. > It's quite amazing to receive a notification from your dryer that it finished its cycle. It’s really quite useless to me. What I may want is an ODB so I can plug in whatever external observation and possibly control plane I wish, were I so inclined (I am not), and could make my device smart. Hell for a dryer you could probably have a plug or panel fe…

Well that's the point, you do want information in and out, including the ability to send instructions. Call it "smart" or "connected" or whatever marketing words you prefer, the point is having affordances that give you agency.

So yes I insist you do want those, just not in the way it's been currently forced. IMHO you are right to reject this as it is but wrong to reject the possibilities when done right.

We are just so disgusted by the way it's currently done that we reject the entire possibly. Quite sad really.

Edit: I have been using HA daily for years now. Smart plugs work and are useful but it's rarely enough. You can infer the device state based on instant consumption but you can't convenient control back.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by Hikikomori »

fwip wrote: post #43
forestry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s stopping you from disconnecting it from wifi mow?

This is also my question, but I suppose the answer could be that we don't trust LG to actually forget the wifi password (and not use it surreptitiously later). You could also change the wifi info, but that might mean changing a whole lot of devices (including wife's and kids).

Would be easy to capture wifi traffic if it did though.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by charcircuit »

sixothree wrote: post #114
charcircuit wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it insane. Owning distribution channels has been valuable since the beginning of commerce. It's no different than a newspaper company saying they own the paper so they have the power to print ads in it.

You really aren't paying attention. They weren't talking about distribution channels. They were talking about capturing user data - "we know who's in the LG household. We know which devices are there. We know what you're exposed to on TV and we know how to extend that reach into mobile."

Having a device that can distribute ads to consumers is a distribution channel. Measuring ad impressions is a core part of ad distribution.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by vrganj »

sumedh wrote: post #113
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #105

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I like how you've piecemeal blocked the same subdomain 4 times. Will you do the same for the other 4-component subdomains? In fact, I'm curious what it means to "block a domain at a router". Really? Did you give Claude the credentials to your managed switch so it could set up a mirror port? Did Claude enable promiscuous mode on your Ethernet interface? Did Claude get a master-mode WiFi AP to intercept all the frames,…

I gave claude ssh access to my router, the router has a block list where you can block domains. It monitored the network traffic from the router.

So in trying to get one big corp from spying on you, you gave another the keys to the castle?

I really don't understand how people give models run on somebody else's server these wide-reaching permissions. Do you really trust Anthropic that much? The government that's hosting Anthropic?

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by penguin_booze »

dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

> How does an industry degenerate to the point

It's called stage-4 capitalism: profit by any and all means.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by ranguna »

vrganj wrote: post #127
sumedh wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave claude ssh access to my router, the router has a block list where you can block domains. It monitored the network traffic from the router.

So in trying to get one big corp from spying on you, you gave another the keys to the castle? I really don't understand how people give models run on somebody else's server these wide-reaching permissions. Do you really trust Anthropic that much? The government that's hosting Anthropic?

"Giving the keys" doesn't necessarily mean outright cat the private key to Claude. You setup the key, configure SSH config to use it and you can just SSH to the machine without ever seeing the keys. Stop fear mongering unnecessarily.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by jeeva »

prmoustache wrote: post #119
fwip wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did bring that up in the second sentence of my two-sentence comment.

The fact you don't do it means you actually don't care at all about your privacy. It takes 5 minutes to bring every member in an household in the living room or kitchen and assist them to change the wifi password on their device. You can even prepare for it by printing the details + qrcode beforehand. Connecting to a wifi network is one of those things every terminally connected non tech savy people are able to do th…

I think the GP more meant the practice that some ISPs have of shipping default routers that may or may not be able to be replaced with a separate SSID that is publicly available for use by other customers of that ISP.

Not "my network has a default or empty password, I can't make people sign in again."

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