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Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by txrx0000 »

metalcrow wrote: post #92

A lot of people in this comments section seem to be against this, i genuinely don't get it? Why? Do you think the current state of affairs is GOOD? That if we let companies create a mind that is, AS OF TODAY, able to solve problems no human in history has solved, with no regulation, things will end up good for us? We need some sort of regulations, some sort of method to help ensure the thing we are creating ends up g…

You say regulation is worth trying, but ignore the reality that the government is itself misaligned with the average joe unless we're able to keep it in check. We can't right now. Recall the PRISM program exposed by Edward Snowden in 2013, or the more recent Epstein scandal, and the lack of actual consequences in either case. Do you truly have the means to regulate the powerful, or is it just kayfabe?

The current status quo is not ideal, but it could be worse. Open-weight models trail the frontier by a few months, and we have a decent chance of achieving a future where some number of individuals, likely in the millions, can survive and thrive. The root "problem", if you can even call it a problem, is evolution. I explained this in more detail in past comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49178275 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49094348

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by bigyabai »

ben_w wrote: post #200
dosisking wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily, it just guarantees that China will win.

Unclear. How much is China learning from open models? Or the other way around, how much is the US losing worldwide mindshare by refusing to allow non-Americans access to bleeding-edge models and letting China fill in the gap? (Playing catchup with Mythos is still catching up, etc.)

> How much is China learning from open models?

Across all their labs? Probably more than OpenAI and Anthropic learned from Astra/Mythos combined. The American frontier is being driven by an abundance of compute, which doesn't seem to scale efficiently.

> how much is the US losing worldwide mindshare

They're losing US mindshare. I pay $3/month for a Z.AI subscription and get billions of Opencode tokens. The $20/month price point is insane for the way that Claude and Codex treat their users, and that money doesn't go towards anything good like open-sourcing their models. It's a doomed product.

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by CommanderData »

Especially those pesky Chinese they undermine everything we've invested, won't anyone think of our investors billions?

Regulation right! now! except for freedom lovin' democracy leading countries like the US. Teehee

Dare they release an open model ever again. Didnt you hear? Someone used AI to create a bio reactor drone NUCLEAR fart machine. We must stop fart terrorism.

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by ozgung »

AaronAPU wrote: post #27

They are talking about slowing down the public facing AI development. Because then nation states can create a capabilities gap between them and the public. Why does nobody seem to be pointing out this obvious explanation? It explains why the “we need to race China” concern suddenly vanished in the discussion. The government can simply gag Sam, Dario, Musk on national security basis, getting them all behind the public…

I’m pretty confident this has already happened. Public models are behind their internal models and just above Chinese models. Only thing closing the gap is Chinese models pushing.

I’m not American. There is no way I use the same model as US Army for $20.

When we have Sol they have Astra. When we have Astra they have Nova, Nebula, Galaxia…

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by olalonde »

ex-aws-dude wrote: post #202
olalonde wrote: post #181

Prediction: in a few years, we will laugh at this hysteria and call it a moral panic.

You can already look back at similar concerns for early GPT

Yep: https://slate.com/technology/2019/02/openai-gpt2-text-genera...

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by CommanderData »

Kuyawa wrote: post #112

China won't slow down no matter how many tariffs, regulations or bombs they drop on them And they know it

The US governments Nvidia ban on China just pissed them off and China said watch me.

Good on China and their sovereignty. Using mostly their own hardware to get to where they are today.

They gave the slickest fattest middle finger when they released a major model, so much the US is itching to find new ways to stop them.

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