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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by FabCH »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #108

Gamer Nexus videos are hackneyed and their methodology is haphazard. There was no systematic analysis or procedure. There was no structured explanation of the situation. Various risks and capabilities and actual activity has been conflated. If IoT devices like this do connect to open WiFi and use those connections, without asking or notifying the user or seeking consent, then that is a breach of ethics. My neighbor's…

The hours of video evidence overlaid with network capture and interviews with security researchers and lawyers they released is not enough for you?

I’m curious, what would meet your bar for investigativ journalism if that didn’t?

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by karim79 »

dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

Great question. Reminds me of social networks, but this is in the physical space. It's pretty hard to wrap my head around it.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by sumedh »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #105
sumedh wrote: post #100

I asked Claude to scan my network and check if LG tv is sending data, it said yes. Some domains were blocked by my router some were not, now Claude blocked all lg related tracking/ad domains on my router. Domains which are blocked now. prov-lg.alphonso.tv au.info.lgsmartad.com kic.cdpbeacon.lgtvcommon.com au.nextlgsdp.com kic.tv.wiselg.com kic.wiseconfig.lgtvcommon.com kic.homeprv.lgtvcommon.com kic.recommend.lgtvcom…

I like how you've piecemeal blocked the same subdomain 4 times. Will you do the same for the other 4-component subdomains? In fact, I'm curious what it means to "block a domain at a router". Really? Did you give Claude the credentials to your managed switch so it could set up a mirror port? Did Claude enable promiscuous mode on your Ethernet interface? Did Claude get a master-mode WiFi AP to intercept all the frames,…

I gave claude ssh access to my router, the router has a block list where you can block domains. It monitored the network traffic from the router.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by sixothree »

charcircuit wrote: post #54
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

How is it insane. Owning distribution channels has been valuable since the beginning of commerce. It's no different than a newspaper company saying they own the paper so they have the power to print ads in it.

You really aren't paying attention. They weren't talking about distribution channels. They were talking about capturing user data - "we know who's in the LG household. We know which devices are there. We know what you're exposed to on TV and we know how to extend that reach into mobile."

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by sixothree »

forestry wrote: post #18
hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

What’s stopping you from disconnecting it from wifi mow?

You're making a huge assumption that it does not remember wifi passwords and that it would actually honor your request. You're assuming it does not communicate with/via other LG devices owned by neighbors. You're assuming it does not communicate via partner apps on mobile and other partner devices over other protocols. You're assuming they won't eventually simply add cellular modems to circumvent all of this.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by sixothree »

kelipso wrote: post #26
hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

Disconnect it from the internet, buy a streaming device, and use the streaming device. It’s really not that complicated. If you want a bit complicated, you can probably unscrew the back panel and remove the wifi card.

Can we really trust it to honor your request to stop using the internet? After hearing them speak on this subject, I have my doubts it will honor your request so quickly and easily.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by masklinn »

utopiah wrote: post #107
nothrows wrote: post #33

I'm so tired of "smart" tech. I don't want my TV, or fridge, or dryer or anything connecting to wifi and bluetooth and having an app to manage settings. It's hard to believe there's demand for any of these terrible "features". The peak of smart tech were watches you could do math on.

Oh no ... I think you do actually want those. It's quite amazing to receive a notification from your dryer that it finished its cycle. What you do not want instead is : - being mandatory - requiring a proprietary application - expecting the app to force onto you services - expecting the setup to fail and making the hardware unusable over time because honestly when it does work, it's great. It's really not the feature…

> I think you do actually want those.

No, I rather know I do not.

> It's quite amazing to receive a notification from your dryer that it finished its cycle.

It’s really quite useless to me.

What I may want is an ODB so I can plug in whatever external observation and possibly control plane I wish, were I so inclined (I am not), and could make my device smart. Hell for a dryer you could probably have a plug or panel feeding into HA and send an alert based on load.

Anything that’s “smart” out of the box is rife for abuse and will eventually sink into that.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by prmoustache »

sixothree wrote: post #115
forestry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s stopping you from disconnecting it from wifi mow?

You're making a huge assumption that it does not remember wifi passwords and that it would actually honor your request. You're assuming it does not communicate with/via other LG devices owned by neighbors. You're assuming it does not communicate via partner apps on mobile and other partner devices over other protocols. You're assuming they won't eventually simply add cellular modems to circumvent all of this.

> You're making a huge assumption that it does not remember wifi passwords and that it would actually honor your request.

I would expect an hn member to be able to change their own wifi password and assist members of their household in changing it on their device.

> You're making a huge assumption that it does not remember wifi passwords and that it would actually honor your request.

Has it been observed?

> You're making a huge assumption that it does not remember wifi passwords and that it would actually honor your request.

Like what? I don't think mobile apps can roll and implement their own protocol on an android or apple phone without specific authorization.

> You're making a huge assumption that it does not remember wifi passwords and that it would actually honor your request.

We are talking here about a specific, already owned device.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by prmoustache »

fwip wrote: post #80
malikNF wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So change the wifi password.

I did bring that up in the second sentence of my two-sentence comment.

The fact you don't do it means you actually don't care at all about your privacy. It takes 5 minutes to bring every member in an household in the living room or kitchen and assist them to change the wifi password on their device.

You can even prepare for it by printing the details + qrcode beforehand.

Connecting to a wifi network is one of those things every terminally connected non tech savy people are able to do these days.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by InsomniacL »

~"ACR is an OPT-IN feature"

If ACR is turned on when I install an app, and click 'next', 'next', 'open' then that is not an OPT-IN feature.

If I have to perform an action to not have ACR during normal use of the TV then that is OPT-OUT in my opinion.

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