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Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
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Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…
Is there really actual fear today in a western country? I think actual fear would have to come from injuries to someone you know and can feel empathy towards. Dunbars number suggests theres only very little of that based on the number of deaths due to terrorism.
Fox News would not exist if people weren't scared of foreigners blowing up their house in Nebraska because some Saudi's crashed a plane into the WTC 11 years ago.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
And it doesn't protect any mail you wrote or received that's still in the recipients inbox or the senders "sent mail" folder. So it's a complete waste of time for that purpose.
Yep. It's exactly the same problem using any kind of privacy encryption: If both parties don't use it, it's useless.
I stand by my original assertion.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#64Didn't they do the same dirty trick for the federal reserve act ? Basically all of congress is home with their families, and only a few people (who most likely want to see the change (for whatever reason AHEM )) show up to to vote.
I believe each congressional body requires a majority of members present to have quorum and conduct business.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is nothing about monitoring our email that is necessary for security. The war on terror is a giant hoax, more people are killed every year choking on peanut butter. Members of the government are always reaching for more and more control over our lives and power to watch us.
Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…
In the "follow the money" line of thinking, looking at who takes most benefits from terrorism explains a lot of things. "Terrorists" didn't get much I think. Politicians, law makers, government agencies got to push forward their agenda by leaps and bounds.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…
In the "follow the money" line of thinking, looking at who takes most benefits from terrorism explains a lot of things. "Terrorists" didn't get much I think. Politicians, law makers, government agencies got to push forward their agenda by leaps and bounds.
The terrorists did get a lot of what they claimed they wanted, though.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there really actual fear today in a western country? I think actual fear would have to come from injuries to someone you know and can feel empathy towards. Dunbars number suggests theres only very little of that based on the number of deaths due to terrorism.
> Is there really actual fear today in a western country? Have you met the republican party? Their entire base lives off fear. > I think actual fear would have to come from injuries to someone you know and can feel empathy towards. It's not fear of death or injury, but fear of "other", of change, of being marginalized.
> Have you met the republican party? Their entire base lives off fear.
First off not all in the republican party can be characterized this way. You are painting with very broad strokes. Many turn the republican party because they are the closest they can get to their economic beliefs.
> It's not fear of death or injury, but fear of "other", of change, of being marginalized.
Do you honestly believe this? Do you get your views of republicans from reddit and articles you read about people talking about fox news?
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep. It's exactly the same problem using any kind of privacy encryption: If both parties don't use it, it's useless.
I stand by my original assertion.
Which contributes neither enlightening discussion nor useful solutions to the discussion at hand.
You have expressed your contempt for people who don't run their own mailservers; but your contempt is only an ego assertion. Your contempt, unless based on facts, and rational arguments taking into account the reality of people who have other things to do than learn whatever esoteric skills you've chosen to base your self-worth around; is of no interest to the rest of the people reading HN.
I run my own mailserver; therefore you should listen to me.
if the above statement seems ridiculous (which it is), it is merely the mirror of your original assertion.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
How can I, as a somewhat proficient non-techie, accomplish that without having to dedicate a 24/7 *nix box from home? Please, if anyone knows a simple, yet elegant solution, I'm all ears.
you can use encrypted mail, however that requires you to convince all people that you exchange mails with to use encrypted mail as well. You could use a hosted email service in another country where the american authorities don't have easy access. Europe might be an option. However, as with hosting your own email server, that's only a partial solution: If you communicate with other people, your mail is not only store…
Errr... the NSA is specifically charged with monitoring communications that cross US national borders.
Using a mailserver in a foreign jurisdiction makes it more open to legal interception by the US government; not less.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I stand by my original assertion.
Which contributes neither enlightening discussion nor useful solutions to the discussion at hand. You have expressed your contempt for people who don't run their own mailservers; but your contempt is only an ego assertion. Your contempt, unless based on facts, and rational arguments taking into account the reality of people who have other things to do than learn whatever esoteric skills you've chosen to base your sel…
Running your own mailserver is so basic of a technical skill that it is neither esoteric, nor is it something to be egotistical about. The name of the site is "hacker news" for Gods sake.
Second, there's nothing I'm asking you to "listen to". My point was that a lot of the wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth has no legitimacy without having taken the simplest, most elementary, first order step towards fixing this problem.
Come back and complain about your bad roast after you've actually ... you know ... turned your oven on.