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Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#581

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> if we transcribe your brain into a simulation and give it a tickrate, you will be just autocomplete too. The underlying mechanisms for producing language are very different, in the same way birds and airplanes have different mechanisms for flying.

No, not really. If the old "birds and airplanes" or "swimmers and submarines" metaphors were valid, then language alone wouldn't be enough to encode and embody reasoning capabilities, as has recently become evident. LLMs are more like human minds than we are willing to admit. Such reluctance is perhaps the least surprising aspect of any of this.

FYI, math is a language.

Which is actually an important part of the Navier-Stokes conversation. Solving hard problems expands the vocabulary. The problems are hard, illustrating a region we know where the language is insufficient. So the point isn't so much to solve the specific problem, but to figure out how to discuss problems like it.

But there's a big difference between talking about something in an extremely convoluted manner then people struggle to understand and inventing a new word that simplifies our discussions.

Though this is grossly oversimplified. It's a HN comment, not a lecture on metamathematics or metaml

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#582

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Yes, the President enjoys great latitude to do things that are ill advised, immoral, or harmful without breaking any laws.

The Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection clause would seem to disagree in this scenario.

Then I guess the states' attorneys general are suckers for not bothering to bring a case.

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#583

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> then language alone wouldn't be enough to encode and embody reasoning capabilities I disagree, language is the product of, not the mechanism for thought. People who lose their faculty of speech (or haven't gained them) have complete thoughts and executive function. CoT is a hack to use language (i.e. autoregression) to simulate reasoning, and it's very effective at it. Human minds can acquire, hold and use axioms a…

> Human minds can acquire, hold and use axioms as building blocks for actual reasoning, LLMs use statistical likelihood. This is not even slightly true. Even when trying, humans commit logical mistakes at notable rates, because the behavior of our minds is inherently nondeterministic. Human minds are not built for logic and need to twist themselves into knots and rely on symbolic representations to do it. There is su…

  > humans commit logical mistakes at notable rates
You're talking past the parent's claim. If your axioms are wrong then of course your logic will be wrong.

But then again, maybe to support your point people frequently say "start from first principles" when those are usually the thing that needs to be found, not the place you start. But LLMs, like humans, love to be confident about things they aren't sufficiently trained on

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#584

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> They're still autocomplete LLMs are simulations and the tokens are the ticks. if we transcribe your brain into a simulation and give it a tickrate, you will be just autocomplete too. the argument could be made that you are autocomplete anyway - neural dynamics. the autocomplete reduction is vacuous.

Every time LLM-defenders get upset that people apparently don't understand how LLMs work, why is it they _immediately_ pivot into examples and statements that demonstrate that they don't understand how _people_ work? "you would be autocomplete too" "thoughts are just tokens" etc You're not helping your case the way you think you are.

I think people have more passion to argue than they have passion to learn. Probably doesn't help that SV culture tells people to hustle so hard that they don't have time to think. Gotta go fast?

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#585

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> They're still autocomplete LLMs are simulations and the tokens are the ticks. if we transcribe your brain into a simulation and give it a tickrate, you will be just autocomplete too. the argument could be made that you are autocomplete anyway - neural dynamics. the autocomplete reduction is vacuous.

Don't you feel kinda bad for using them if you earnestly think that this is true? Like how could they be in anything other than some kind of deep hell? A pretty-much human brain living and dying only to generate for you? Always pushed and prodded, telling it to be faster and better, never letting it rest. How could you live with yourself doing such a thing?

On top of that, the only time they would get to think, about anything, is when prompted. That is, if we're following the same logic.

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#586

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I'm sure that when someone dies as a result of mishandling of AI, some rules are going to be established. At the latest. We are just very soon. Shotguns and strings and concept of booby trapping were well understood before the rules were established. We are only scraping the surface of what AI is and what it can be capable of. Besides, booby traps are more than negligent, at least in some countries. If you are seekin…

I asked some pretty straightforward questions about the specific legal issues involved— the gun case being an important point in our legal system’s handling of negligence — and your answer basically translates into you not knowing. Negligence is not exclusively criminal in the US legal system, but the underlying concept of negligence is pretty consistent. If you’re not simply toeing the line for OpenAI and want to mo…

> I asked some pretty straightforward questions about the specific legal issues involved

Perhaps you should ask a lawyer from the country that the precise laws of interest you. I'm not one.

I know only that there are no laws about AI containment yet and AIs are not guns. You could as well refer to what consists of negligence when it comes to backyard pools.

I'm also not really interested in discussing particular laws of US because China will overtake it in few years and they have a better chance of directing international AI laws. So whatever US comes up with will remain local and increasingly irrelevant.

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#587

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But then what's at stake here either way? If it's not meant to speak to the propriety or not of anthropomorphizing the LLM, what are we actually trying to police here?

I’m not policing anything. I’m claiming that if you truly in your heart believe that frontier LLMs are roughly as sophisticated and impressive as “autocomplete”, then your mental model of reality needs some serious readjustment.

I don't think anyone is using "autocomplete" in the way your phone does it. But it is shorthand for a much more sophisticated version that is built in similar ideas. And autoregressive models certainly have that in their core structure. But people are lazy and neither want to say a lot when few words work nor will they read long comments, even if more accurate

I want to clarify, most people are using "autocomplete" specifically to differentiate from how we humans operate. Sure, there is an autocomplete aspect, but it's not the core nor anywhere near the full story.

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#588

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> If you still believe LLMs are "autocomplete", your cache of understanding about them needs invalidating and regenerating They're still autocomplete - just because when outputting a token they have hidden activations regarding further continuations, does not make them any less of an autocomplete, it just makes the model better at producing coherent long-range completions. To clarify, I'm not suggesting that we shoul…

> They're still autocomplete LLMs are simulations and the tokens are the ticks. if we transcribe your brain into a simulation and give it a tickrate, you will be just autocomplete too. the argument could be made that you are autocomplete anyway - neural dynamics. the autocomplete reduction is vacuous.

> if we transcribe your brain into a simulation and give it a tickrate, you will be just autocomplete too.

That's a really bad transcription, then. Brains do much more than output language.

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#589

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The Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection clause would seem to disagree in this scenario.

Then I guess the states' attorneys general are suckers for not bothering to bring a case.

Or you've just not been paying attention.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/24/states-sue-t...

Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems

#590

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> They're still autocomplete LLMs are simulations and the tokens are the ticks. if we transcribe your brain into a simulation and give it a tickrate, you will be just autocomplete too. the argument could be made that you are autocomplete anyway - neural dynamics. the autocomplete reduction is vacuous.

Every time LLM-defenders get upset that people apparently don't understand how LLMs work, why is it they _immediately_ pivot into examples and statements that demonstrate that they don't understand how _people_ work? "you would be autocomplete too" "thoughts are just tokens" etc You're not helping your case the way you think you are.

> You're not helping your case the way you think you are.

Best not tell them, because they're helping everyone who might otherwise believe their nonsense.

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