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Will there be a 7G?

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Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by seb1204 »

jayd16 wrote: post #72
ksec wrote: post #49

It needs to work backwards, much like Video Codec and ask what do the stakeholders really want or need? We are closing in to rolling out the last / final phase of 5G. And yet none of the Massive MIMO on FDD is happening. We are still stuck on 32T32R, hardly that impressive considering we have that in LTE already. Not to mention the insane complexity increase from 4G to 5G. And judging from the previews of 6G that see…

Something I've noticed is that a phone is actually usable at a stadium or concert when 3g or 4g felt essentially useless at that density.

I thought that's why many large venues offer free WiFi.

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by Atotalnoob »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #86
jayd16 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I've noticed is that a phone is actually usable at a stadium or concert when 3g or 4g felt essentially useless at that density.

AT&T has figured out a way to monetize that. If you have a "Turbo" plan or add-on, your phone will work in crowded cells. If you don't, good luck with that.

Net neutrality would have prevented this kind of pay to win

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by fc417fc802 »

xattt wrote: post #28
Havoc wrote: post #15

There will always be new Gs...marketing teams require it. I hope they go into the direction wifi is taking though - stability rather than speed. I never think about cell speeds being slow anymore but irritation at lack of coverage is still frequent. Esp in urban jungles where buildings block it

Hopefully, they’ll move to reporting versioning as an explicit value rather than tying it to a constant that the general population might not know about. (I.e. 6g = 58.86; 7g = 68.67). /s

I think we should use hex for brevity since consumers get confused by long numbers. We should also add adjective noun pairs to make them more memorable. And we can also add a paid sponsorship slot.

Ex 6G = 8B.9 verizon cool blue and 7G = A0.D costco ultra red or similar.

(/s)

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by cortesoft »

Atotalnoob wrote: post #92
LeoPanthera wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T has figured out a way to monetize that. If you have a "Turbo" plan or add-on, your phone will work in crowded cells. If you don't, good luck with that.

Net neutrality would have prevented this kind of pay to win

How would it have helped? Net neutrality doesn’t mean you can’t sell your customers different bandwidth guarantees.

Net neutrality is only about the connections between a provider and external networks, not about how a company handles bandwidth contention amongst its customers.

Net neutrality would fix a problem like “only Facebook is accessible inside crowded stadiums” not “AT&T customers who pay more get better connections in crowded stadiums”

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by JW_00000 »

Freedom2 wrote: post #82

I'm concerned because my 5G microchip is still going strong. Will the next advances be compatible?

According to the paper, 6G deployment is planned for 2030 and the "earliest plausible" deployment of 7G is listed as 2039-40. You'll have plenty of time to upgrade.

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by JW_00000 »

respectattentio wrote: post #8

The right question: Will 7G be needed? I say no for the next 15 years. Because there are 1425235 other things that are way much important than this.

The paper lists the "earliest plausible" deployment of 7G as 2039-40, so only 1-2 years off your estimate...

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by JW_00000 »

respectattentio wrote: post #19
someguynamedq wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right and society only works on one thing at a time

Yes, why working on something that "may" be beneficial in the far future? This is like inventing a 128-bit CPU architecture. Nobody would be able to utilize like even 1% of that, even with AI.

Research on 5G started ~2012 to be deployed since 2019 (7 years), research on 4G started maybe around 2000 for rollout in 2009 (9 years later). For 6G, research started around 2018 for an expected rollout around 2030 (12 years). These timelines are pretty typical in the telecom field.

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by toast0 »

Scoundreller wrote: post #87
_ink_ wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany I notice a massive difference in 4G and 5G. If I see 4G on my phone and know I can put it away again if it's not some kind of an emergency because it's basically unusable. I am not sure what is going on here, probably the telcos that are limiting the bandwidth.

There’s always a gradual refarming of the spectrum into the next G. Usually the most penetrating frequencies (ie lowest) are kept on the lower G to maximize legacy support. For a while I had my phone stick to 3G, which doesn’t support emergency alerts, because my jurisdiction kept sending them out for joint custody disputes at 3AM 1000km away. It was fine But the 3G became unbearable and they tightened up the alert c…

> There’s always a gradual refarming of the spectrum into the next G.

Not necessarily for 4G to 5G. 5G can run a 4G compatible control channel and timeslices can be 4G or 5G.

> Usually the most penetrating frequencies (ie lowest) are kept on the lower G to maximize legacy support.

Maybe, but at least in the US, 4G wad deployable on new lower frequency spectrum that had previously been used for TV. LTE 71, 600 Mhz is lower frequency but wouldn't have been usable for 3G because legacy phones didn't use those frequencies.

Re: Will there be a 7G?

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Post by MisterMunchkin »

Atotalnoob wrote: post #92
LeoPanthera wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T has figured out a way to monetize that. If you have a "Turbo" plan or add-on, your phone will work in crowded cells. If you don't, good luck with that.

Net neutrality would have prevented this kind of pay to win

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