Could monitoring be the same searching? If so, that legislation is unconstitional!
Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
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Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#52This looks like a promising idea: http://bitmessage.org/
Edit: Send me a message if you get it running and I'll reply, BM-2nftGCPpQ9HtjwJgbZfSFhPHqiJbJK7pwvi
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…
The war on terror positively thrives on fear. Terrified people make stupid mistakes, sign away their rights with reckless abandon in the hope that it will allay their fears. No electorate is so easy to manipulate as one that is afraid.
Of course, but that fear that enables the war is the same fear the war is meant to eliminate, the fear caused by the initial terror attack. 911 scared the hell out of people, enough to allow some dreadful laws to be passed, but out of fear people do stupid things to try and feel safe again. The TSA doesn't make us safe, but it made most feel safer, at least initially.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
My company is working on this: http://parley.co EDIT: As mentioned a few times elsewhere on this thread, the biggest barrier to encrypted email adoption is the network effect, ie. both ends need to be using it. That is the core problem we're trying to solve--making an email system that would be better than the rest even if it weren't encrypted, but that's the icing on the cake.
If "works anywhere on any device" means it crypto code is loaded over Javascript without browser extensions, that's a goal that cannot share a project with "make it impossible for admins to read email even with a subpoena". The reason it's 2012 and there's still no universal solution for encrypting email is that it's a hard problem. If you care about the security of your mail, you should use GPG.
We are in full agreement. Parley.co does not use Javascript crypto or browser plugins, ie. it is not webmail. (There is a webmail component that can be used to send messages which are encrypted at the server, and can allow synchronous two-way communications for logged in Parley users that is not end-to-end, but it is only provided as a stop-gap and the trade-offs are clearly presented. Discussing it usually ends up as a distraction, since our core offering is based on installing standalone clients.)
We'll be posting more information about the whole thing soon, but if anyone has any questions I'm always happy to discuss what we're doing either by email (in my profile) or (at risk of derailing the thread) here.
EDIT: Also, Parley uses OpenPGP. People who are happy with their PGP/GPG setup should continue using it, but the goal is to create a compatible service which those people would feel comfortable recommending to less tech-savvy friends.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…
> The war on terror is... about preventing fear. Many people would argue exactly the opposite
You can argue the opposite of anything, and many do; doesn't mean anything. 911 for example, caused the fear, which then was used to pass draconian laws, but those laws were meant to both seize power and alleviate the fear, to the point of implementing things like the TSA, which aren't real protection, but make people feel less fear.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…
Is there really actual fear today in a western country? I think actual fear would have to come from injuries to someone you know and can feel empathy towards. Dunbars number suggests theres only very little of that based on the number of deaths due to terrorism.
> Is there really actual fear today in a western country?
Have you met the republican party? Their entire base lives off fear.
> I think actual fear would have to come from injuries to someone you know and can feel empathy towards.
It's not fear of death or injury, but fear of "other", of change, of being marginalized.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another good one is the number of people that die in car accidents in the US every year, largely due to human error - 32,367 people in 2011. If the government took one tenth of the money it spends on defense every year (which was $1.030–$1.415 trillion for 2012), or approximately $100 billion dollars, and invested it in driverless car research and the infrastructure changes necessary for it, a much bigger benefit cou…
military-industrial complex Most of what you said is true enough, but this nonsense loses you credibility. It's like saying "it's the corporations , man."
Yeah, that guy who planned the Normandy invasion was a complete nutball.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#58Ultimately isn't the way around something like this is VPN services and encrypting your email? Or is it more than that at this point?
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is nothing about monitoring our email that is necessary for security. The war on terror is a giant hoax, more people are killed every year choking on peanut butter. Members of the government are always reaching for more and more control over our lives and power to watch us.
Not that I disagree entirely, but looking at deaths prevented isn't really relevant. Terrorism isn't about death, it's about terror, putting people in a state of fear. The war on terror isn't about preventing death, it's about preventing fear. People aren't afraid of choking on peanut butter or car accidents because they feel they have some control over those situations. Terrorism creates fear by removing that sense…
And the "War on Terror" isn't exactly to calm people's fears either.
Re: Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain Warrant to Monitor Email
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another good one is the number of people that die in car accidents in the US every year, largely due to human error - 32,367 people in 2011. If the government took one tenth of the money it spends on defense every year (which was $1.030–$1.415 trillion for 2012), or approximately $100 billion dollars, and invested it in driverless car research and the infrastructure changes necessary for it, a much bigger benefit cou…
military-industrial complex Most of what you said is true enough, but this nonsense loses you credibility. It's like saying "it's the corporations , man."
There's nothing nonsensical about it. It's a well established political reality, and has been widely discussed for more than fifty years.