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We must pace the frontier

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Re: We must pace the frontier

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Post by TheSisb2 »

glub wrote: post #302

Dario, Sam, and Elon are all on the same page on this. So it's either they truly think AI is going to kill us all, or there's some other motives at play here. I don't think these people could possibly agree on the color of the sky, so what could the other possible motives be, based on what we know? OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing - that's not a good look when you're pre-IPO and Chinese models…

> OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing - that's not a good look when you're pre-IPO and Chinese models are catching up.

This is obviously untrue… do you use any of them?

Re: We must pace the frontier

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Post by stratos123 »

glub wrote: post #302

Dario, Sam, and Elon are all on the same page on this. So it's either they truly think AI is going to kill us all, or there's some other motives at play here. I don't think these people could possibly agree on the color of the sky, so what could the other possible motives be, based on what we know? OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing - that's not a good look when you're pre-IPO and Chinese models…

> So it's either they truly think AI is going to kill us all, or there's some other motives at play here. I don't think these people could possibly agree on the color of the sky,[...]

And yet, they historically did agree on the existence of AI risk, since before OpenAI was even founded.

Re: We must pace the frontier

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Post by j45 »

Seeing the word pacing applied pacing to non-deterministic ai model development feels like imagining the "pace" of the cutting edge frontier growth will be fuzzy, like non-deterministic llms.

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Post by nicce »

IanCal wrote: post #307
glub wrote: post #302

Dario, Sam, and Elon are all on the same page on this. So it's either they truly think AI is going to kill us all, or there's some other motives at play here. I don't think these people could possibly agree on the color of the sky, so what could the other possible motives be, based on what we know? OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing - that's not a good look when you're pre-IPO and Chinese models…

> OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing Have they? That seems like quite a claim given the last 6 months, particularly for cybersecurity.

Many claims but no clear evidence that they actually find significantly more severe issues compared to open models.

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Post by simianwords »

TheSisb2 wrote: post #311
glub wrote: post #302

Dario, Sam, and Elon are all on the same page on this. So it's either they truly think AI is going to kill us all, or there's some other motives at play here. I don't think these people could possibly agree on the color of the sky, so what could the other possible motives be, based on what we know? OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing - that's not a good look when you're pre-IPO and Chinese models…

> OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing - that's not a good look when you're pre-IPO and Chinese models are catching up. This is obviously untrue… do you use any of them?

This line will keep repeating because it is necessary for the narrative:

   AI in general is just hype and unprofitable and all these companies are playing marketing tricks before the IPO after which they will cash out and let the economy crash.
This is legit what a lot of people think. To continue this narrative, they have to keep up the charade of "things are not improving".

Re: We must pace the frontier

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Post by simianwords »

academia_hack wrote: post #90

Dario's proposed approach is a classic example of capital attempting to control technological advancement and the means of production. For the first time in human history, any member of the working class can just about afford to have a team of expert scientist/physician/lawyer/engineers working directly for them. Super intelligence (the ability to have many smarter minds than your own reporting to you) has always bee…

unexpected marx/acc. Still lazy Marxist rhetoric (capital, means of production, revolution, masses)

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Post by dolebirchwood »

Razengan wrote: post #148
TheSisb2 wrote: post #38

I know the common take online is that this is Anthropic doing pre-IPO marketing. I don’t think it is. I think Dario is genuinely afraid of the inevitability of AI turning into internet slime mold: consuming the environment, turning it into its own playground, and eventually manipulating human culture along with it. So am I. That said, if slowing this down were possible, I think it would have happened by now. Maybe he…

> genuinely afraid of the inevitability of AI turning into I'm going to get pitchforked on this bandwagon, but is really no one here genuinely -excited- about AI? of it turning into an evolution of sentience, or it turning out to be our first contact with alien intelligence? "durrr it's just matrix multiplications" mfer so is your brain. What humans should be doing is overhauling archaic social institutions to keep u…

I'll join you on the pitchforks. This is the most exciting moment in history.

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Post by qnleigh »

glub wrote: post #302

Dario, Sam, and Elon are all on the same page on this. So it's either they truly think AI is going to kill us all, or there's some other motives at play here. I don't think these people could possibly agree on the color of the sky, so what could the other possible motives be, based on what we know? OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing - that's not a good look when you're pre-IPO and Chinese models…

> OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing

I'm shocked anyone could conclude this. This year it became common for people to entirely delegate coding to AI (I know many competent programmers/researchers who do this now). Progress in math has just been insane. An internal model at OAI just resolved one of the most celebrated open problems in mathematics. If anything, progress has accelerated.

Re: We must pace the frontier

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Post by echelon »

nicce wrote: post #314
IanCal wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OpenAI / Anthropic models have largely stopped advancing Have they? That seems like quite a claim given the last 6 months, particularly for cybersecurity.

Many claims but no clear evidence that they actually find significantly more severe issues compared to open models.

Open models and agents can't be trusted without handholding. Astra can one-shot six months of work. Years of work, even.

OpenAI just solved Navier-Stokes.

Seems like the US is on a takeoff ramp to me.

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