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Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

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Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

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Actual luddite: prevent capitalists from using technology to destroy society. Meme luddite: hate technology

Actual Luddite: your employees who are going through layoffs while your profits are rising.

Luddite according to the boss: somebody who is trying to prevent me from doing what I want to do when I want to do it just because there's 100 of them and one of me.

The boss owns the printing press.

Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

#12

Actual luddite: prevent capitalists from using technology to destroy society. Meme luddite: hate technology

normie: Loves to walk on technologically advanced crutches when they have perfectly working legs...

An obligatory Deus Ex cinematic trailer: https://youtu.be/4-MU5MgRV6U

Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

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In the true sense where you're militarizing and committing acts of sabotage on others' property (so-called "monkeywrenching")? And then, getting suppressed and eradicated/killed by the government?

No.

I prefer the "Calm Technology"[1] approach as espoused by Amber Case[2]. I think this is the saner path forward.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calm_technology

2. https://a.co/d/02kdlV3p

Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

#14

The term luddite is like the term pharisee. It's a pejorative removed from it's historical context. Actual Luddites and Pharisees would have not agreed that they were against technology or legalistic hypocrites, even though their critics tried to paint them with that brush.

> It's a pejorative removed from it's historical context.

It utterly depends on historical context. Intelligent people understand antonomasia and eponymy.

> Actual Luddites and Pharisees would have not agreed that they were against technology or legalistic hypocrites

That's neither here nor there.

Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

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Unfortunately I imagine your modern AI data centre has better security than a 19th century textile mill.

Unfortunately? Are we really at the point of supporting terrorism of the “correct” political persuasion?

Are we at the point where we allow companies to just hack other companies and do nothing about it?

Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

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Unfortunately I imagine your modern AI data centre has better security than a 19th century textile mill.

Unfortunately? Are we really at the point of supporting terrorism of the “correct” political persuasion?

We're way past it, sadly. Luigi was insanely popular for the cold blooded murder of a CEO. Hundreds of thousands of people celebrated Charlie Kirk's murder within minutes of it happening, let alone the discourse you see now, a year later. Plenty of people, even on this forum, openly advocate for "the funniest thing" happening to Elon.

Terrorism and murder are in vogue.

Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

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Actual luddite: prevent capitalists from using technology to destroy society. Meme luddite: hate technology

Amish luddite. Technology is vetted by a central committee before the public is allowed to use it.

I was in Amish country last week, watching in bemusement as elderly women zoomed down the street in e-bikes. I thought to myself that it was understandable given that they lived on uneven terrain. But then, I wondered, why did they choose such a place to live if they were not willing to use technology, and why did e-bikes get a pass while cars didn't?

Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

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post #13

In the true sense where you're militarizing and committing acts of sabotage on others' property (so-called "monkeywrenching")? And then, getting suppressed and eradicated/killed by the government? No. I prefer the "Calm Technology"[1] approach as espoused by Amber Case[2]. I think this is the saner path forward. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calm_technology 2. https://a.co/d/02kdlV3p

What are some of your favorite devices/software that follow this idea? I can list mine:

- Supernote by Ratta https://supernote.com

- Air Lab by Networked Artifacts https://networkedartifacts.com

- Xteink X4 (or equivalent) https://www.xteink.com

- Zeroink Writer - my kids use it to practice typing and write letters I can print out. Essentially digital typewriter. https://www.crowdsupply.com/zerowriter/zerowriter-ink

- Readwise - enables me to review highlighted passages and ideas from things I read

- Obsidian - I dump text files into it, it syncs it around for me to review or edit.

Re: Is it time for a Luddite Renaissance?

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What I find interesting is how the tone seems to have changed in swathes of tech industry. Until LLMs were a thing, techno-optimism and sola technologia fundamentalism seems to have been a more prominent fetish. When LLMs began having a practical and tangible effect, much of the same cohort seems to have pivoted toward aversion. If this is true—and this perception could be an artifact of selection bias driven by those with the loudest voices, though I strongly suspect it is not that entirely—then it cannot be denied how self-serving it is. Sure, we can automate away all sorts of jobs, confident that our own is the only constant and the one thing that would survive automation. But then, the cunning of reality cut down that hubris.

Of course, I do think technology ought to be adopted with prudence and wisdom. We must always remember the purpose of technology which is serving the objective human good, but to be able to do that requires more than narrow technical savvy. You need a wise and substantive grasp of the broader context within which technology is located.

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