Room 641A

Post by sbseitz » Sat, Sep 12, 2026, 3:54 AM UTC

wilkystyle wrote: post #42

tedd4u wrote: post #26

Covered many times before. How Mark Klein told the EFF about Room 641A [book excerpt] ( https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the-whistleblower-who-unc... ) 710 points | the-mitr | 4 months ago | 254 comments Room 641A ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A ) 333 points | hourislate | 6 years ago | 70 comments Room 641A ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A ) 248 points | llambda | 13 years ago | 44 comments Room…

Good. I hope it gets covered many times in the future as well, and that we never forget that the moment we stop fighting tooth and nail to protect our privacy is the exact moment it goes away.

Post by monocasa » Sat, Sep 12, 2026, 6:17 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #60

monocasa wrote: post #59

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> No, they never made that argument because they don't grab and store all packets. Instead, they stored the metadata extracted from these packets (the sender and receiver). This program has ended prior to Snowden's leaks according to his documents, but the telephone pen register collection was still ongoing. The utah data center is their buffer. And they were storing large amounts of traffic because they had their di…

> The utah data center is their buffer. The Utah data center hadn't even been constructed at the time of Snowden's leaks, so obviously there was no evidence for that in the leaks. > And they were storing large amounts of traffic because they had their diffie-helman hack. Again, there was no evidence that they were doing this in the leaks. The leaks said that they did full take data collection only in a specific set o…

Post by mitxela » Sat, Sep 12, 2026, 7:36 AM UTC

Cider9986 wrote: post #62

sbseitz wrote: post #61

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it has been gone lmao.

Defeatist totally wrong attitude. People are fighting back against flock and winning for example. Signal reached 100 M MAU. GrapheneOS has reached 500k estimated users. Privacy is more of an issue today than ever before with more people caring about it. Fisa 702 expired. Cell network area searches determined to require a warrant by supreme court. https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2025/02/17/privacy-is...

Post by lern_too_spel » Sat, Sep 12, 2026, 4:03 PM UTC

monocasa wrote: post #63

lern_too_spel wrote: post #60

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> The utah data center is their buffer. The Utah data center hadn't even been constructed at the time of Snowden's leaks, so obviously there was no evidence for that in the leaks. > And they were storing large amounts of traffic because they had their diffie-helman hack. Again, there was no evidence that they were doing this in the leaks. The leaks said that they did full take data collection only in a specific set o…

Please, just stop. The engineers I've talked to did not misread the leaks and found non public information confirming it. The diffie-hellman stuff has explicit evidence in the leaks. Yes, the Utah data center is newer than the leaks. It was created because total traffic was expanding and they required more storage.

Post by qmr » Sat, Sep 12, 2026, 8:13 PM UTC

kulahan wrote: post #50

globular-toast wrote: post #39

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It's not about language, it's about culture. If you saw someone running through a crowd with a knife you'd expect them to be thrown in prison. But someone speeding through a neighborhood? Or dangerously overtaking a cyclist? No bother. If the person running with the knife hurt someone they'd be a murderer. But the car? Oh, it was just an accident .

You think they were doing it on purpose every time someone is in an accident, or you think every time someone says "accident", they're referring to or you're purposely missing the nuance to make a point nobody agrees with, or you think that people in general are not annoyed when someone drives recklessly? If it's the first, I dunno - you're wrong. People aren't. If it's the second, aside from insurance fraud, nobody…