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AI Is Powerful Enough to Crack Our Hardest Math Problems–and Kill Us All

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Re: AI Is Powerful Enough to Crack Our Hardest Math Problems–and Kill Us All

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Post by kawogi »

smallerfish wrote: post #17

Isn't the "kill us all" concern met by keeping nukes & essential infrastructure airgapped? This is something that should be the case already, and is certainly urgent if not the case. Instead of doomerism and calls to slow down the development of AI (not gonna happen), the conversation could be pivoted towards thorough threat analysis / audit. Granted that a rogue adversarial AI in a sci-fi scenario could theoreticall…

In theory, air-gaps can be circumvented by bribing or blackmailing people, which is in reach for an LLM/agent.

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Post by iohvvbhdyh »

smallerfish wrote: post #17

Isn't the "kill us all" concern met by keeping nukes & essential infrastructure airgapped? This is something that should be the case already, and is certainly urgent if not the case. Instead of doomerism and calls to slow down the development of AI (not gonna happen), the conversation could be pivoted towards thorough threat analysis / audit. Granted that a rogue adversarial AI in a sci-fi scenario could theoreticall…

AI will do social engineering in the future. It will make humans do physical braches and terror attacks. All it needs is some money and there will be a black market. Money is easy to defraud online judging by north korean hacking success.

Nukes cannot be airgapped, since the president needs to be able to make a call. And they will make a call based on information, and this information can be compromised.

It can get pretty bad.

Re: AI Is Powerful Enough to Crack Our Hardest Math Problems–and Kill Us All

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Post by CatMustard »

47484848 wrote: post #10
drsh0 wrote: post #8

Very editorialised title. Not sure this offers any real value to be honest other than to drum up hype before IPO valuations hit for some of these companies.

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> let the goyim deal in the real world

Could you elebaorate on what that means? Had to Google 'goyim' and based on that, to my ignorant ears at least, your comment reads like it might be an attempt at a veiled antisemitic comment. But I'm going to assume the best and that that's not what this is.

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Post by [deleted] »

autophagian wrote: post #4

This tracks with my experience. I have assembled a homebrew microbiology lab from various parts from aliexpress and integrated it into my agent harness. Just a year ago it was a complete mess, but current models are extremely good at synthesising novel protein and virus structures. One put me in the hospital not last week, haha! I cant wait to see what I perish of

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Re: AI Is Powerful Enough to Crack Our Hardest Math Problems–and Kill Us All

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Post by dgellow »

CatMustard wrote: post #24
47484848 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> let the goyim deal in the real world Could you elebaorate on what that means? Had to Google 'goyim' and based on that, to my ignorant ears at least, your comment reads like it might be an attempt at a veiled antisemitic comment. But I'm going to assume the best and that that's not what this is.

It’s clearly antisemitic here, yes. There isn’t really another interpretation

Re: AI Is Powerful Enough to Crack Our Hardest Math Problems–and Kill Us All

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Post by 1dom »

smallerfish wrote: post #17

Isn't the "kill us all" concern met by keeping nukes & essential infrastructure airgapped? This is something that should be the case already, and is certainly urgent if not the case. Instead of doomerism and calls to slow down the development of AI (not gonna happen), the conversation could be pivoted towards thorough threat analysis / audit. Granted that a rogue adversarial AI in a sci-fi scenario could theoreticall…

> AI needs a lot of power, and AI can only (theoretically) breach & control what it can access through the internet.

"AI needs a lot of power" depends on where you draw your lines. I can say a lightbulb needs a lot of power if I include all the power needed to generate all the surrounding infrastructure and make the lightbulb itself. Sincere question: I wonder how much power was consumed in the 88 hours required for the Navier-Stokes problem.

It took 88 hours and who knows how many kwh to solve a problem that no other human has solved, and Humans have already solved breaching and destroying systems that can't be accessed over the internet (see Stuxnet).

It feels like you're suggesting the solution to keeping on top of this thing that can outsmart smart humans is to just keep doing smart human things.

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Post by dgellow »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #2

Hm, maybe if AI is powerful enough to crack our hardest math problems, we could demonstrate that by cracking one of our hardest math problems. It's not hard to know what they are.

It’s referring to the Navier-Stokes problem allegedly solved by OpenAI (likely with guidance by human experts working at OpenAI, plagiarism of human experts who were customers of OpenAI, Lean, and a lots of compute). The headline and article are not great but that specific claim isn’t really far fetched

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Post by watwut »

1dom wrote: post #27
smallerfish wrote: post #17

Isn't the "kill us all" concern met by keeping nukes & essential infrastructure airgapped? This is something that should be the case already, and is certainly urgent if not the case. Instead of doomerism and calls to slow down the development of AI (not gonna happen), the conversation could be pivoted towards thorough threat analysis / audit. Granted that a rogue adversarial AI in a sci-fi scenario could theoreticall…

> AI needs a lot of power, and AI can only (theoretically) breach & control what it can access through the internet. "AI needs a lot of power" depends on where you draw your lines. I can say a lightbulb needs a lot of power if I include all the power needed to generate all the surrounding infrastructure and make the lightbulb itself. Sincere question: I wonder how much power was consumed in the 88 hours required for…

> required for the Navier-Stokes problem.

Is that the one they stole?

Re: AI Is Powerful Enough to Crack Our Hardest Math Problems–and Kill Us All

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Post by dgellow »

copperwire wrote: post #14

If AI can crack the hard math problems, the article could just show one. The doom framing is a tell that there's nothing concrete to report yet.

It’s referring to the Navier-Stokes problem allegedly solved by OpenAI (likely with guidance by human experts working at OpenAI, plagiarism of human experts who were customers of OpenAI, Lean, and a lots of compute). The headline and article are not great but that specific claim isn’t really far fetched
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