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Post by mitxela »

nickff wrote: post #206
mitxela wrote: post #192

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This is what capitalism's all about. Take as much as possible and give as little as possible if you want to win. Ideally, give negative amounts.

> ”This is what capitalism's all about. Take as much as possible and give as little as possible if you want to win. Ideally, give negative amounts.” Your description is vague enough to encompass every system that I’m aware of, from feudalism, through to mercantilism, communism, and capitalism. It may best fit communism and feudalism, both of which are most notable for fostering negative-value-added firms.

I do not understand the type of psychosis which causes people to say that capitalism is communism.

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Post by input_sh »

bad_username wrote: post #241
lubujackson wrote: post #82

As much as I am sad that Google died like 15 years ago, I am past the mourning phase. That was when they announced they were shifting from returning websites to "returning answers" and it has been a long slide into shittification I do enjoy using their free AI. For actual web search I actually like using Yandex. It reminds me of old Google, returning reasonable results and much less "shaping results to please our cor…

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I mean, if I were to accuse any search engine of an astroturfing campaign on HN, I'd certainly not pick Yandex over Kagi.

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Post by inemesitaffia »

oblio wrote: post #289
radiator wrote: post #285

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Guidelines: Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing.

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I'd only use it via tor or private mode behind a CGNAT or VPN

There's no doubt about that but it definitely meets some people's needs.

IMO only useful for piracy.

I prefer Google itself but this goto update is terrible.

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Post by dotancohen »

ta8903 wrote: post #254
yokoprime wrote: post #222

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What does israel have to do with this?

According to OP >It would be delusional to expect any sort of press and related (like search engine or aggregation) freedom, or to try to compare this to anything in any other developed country. Israel is responsible for killing more journalists than any other country. Google has profited by providing services to Israel in the ongoing genocide. https://cpj.org/special-reports/record-129-press-members-kil... https://a…

I was waiting to see how long it took for someone to "make this about Palestine" - their strategy is to inundate all discussion with the topic.

Over half the journalists in the Gaza Strip are affiliated with Hamas. Many of them infiltrated Israel in 2023, and some of them held Israeli hostages in their homes, including children hostages.

https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/abou

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Post by inemesitaffia »

marttt wrote: post #246
lubujackson wrote: post #82

As much as I am sad that Google died like 15 years ago, I am past the mourning phase. That was when they announced they were shifting from returning websites to "returning answers" and it has been a long slide into shittification I do enjoy using their free AI. For actual web search I actually like using Yandex. It reminds me of old Google, returning reasonable results and much less "shaping results to please our cor…

This is interesting. Do you consider Yandex absolutely safe to use (wrt their possible connections with the Russian government, and current war in Ukraine)? Asking this as a geeky end-user from Estonia -- I wonder if I would be considered "suspicios" by local internet service providers, our govt/police etc if I did a lot of searching via Yandex instead of e.g. Google these days. (For us in Estonia, I suppose "everyth…

Private mode. Tor browser

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Post by Lord_Zero »

emaro wrote: post #183
noisy_boy wrote: post #145

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> Worth the $5 for me Steep at 300 searches per month or about 10 per day. If you search often, it is too expensive. If you rarely search, not worth 5 bucks. They are plainly trying to push people to their $10 unlimited plan. I would have appreciated if they allowed, say, 600 searches per month for $5 or so.

I do agree it's kinda expensive. I'm lucky enough that my employer pays the $25 plan for met because it includes access to many LLMs.

I pay the $10 and use assistant multiple times a day and never needed the fatter models since for coding I have copilot and Gemini

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Post by dotancohen »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #263
ta8903 wrote: post #254

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According to OP >It would be delusional to expect any sort of press and related (like search engine or aggregation) freedom, or to try to compare this to anything in any other developed country. Israel is responsible for killing more journalists than any other country. Google has profited by providing services to Israel in the ongoing genocide. https://cpj.org/special-reports/record-129-press-members-kil... https://a…

It only counts when the country is our declared enemy. When our ally does a holocaust, it isn't a holocaust, it's just anti-terrorism operations.

Your Holocaust inversion is not only morally wrong, it is also factually incorrect.

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Post by ArcHound »

kolinko wrote: post #282
ArcHound wrote: post #267

It's funny. Recently I looked into what Google is doing (see at https://blog.miloslavhomer.cz/how-google-sees-your-site/ ). It's a lot of work to get the data to build an index. Why would they give it to everyone for free?

Becuse they are a monopolist and we can require certain things from monopolists. Similarly, Bell Labs was kind of required to release transistor for anyone to license - it was a part of social contract that they were allowed to maintain their monopoly in exchange for releasing certain parts of technology. Alternatively, they could be split up and their indexing division made an independent company selling to anyone o…

I tend to agree - businesses should give back. But they can also keep some secrets.

R&D has steep cost. Publishing it all gives your competitors an advantage.

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