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Post by tryauuum »

sofixa wrote: post #94
lubujackson wrote: post #82

As much as I am sad that Google died like 15 years ago, I am past the mourning phase. That was when they announced they were shifting from returning websites to "returning answers" and it has been a long slide into shittification I do enjoy using their free AI. For actual web search I actually like using Yandex. It reminds me of old Google, returning reasonable results and much less "shaping results to please our cor…

> Yandex. It reminds me of old Google, returning reasonable results and much less "shaping results to please our corpo-political masters". As long as you don't search anything related to Russia itself, or to Russian interests elsewhere (like their invasion of Ukraine). Then it's very heavily biased, priority is given to state ran propaganda mills, independent media is hidden from results, etc. And before anyone start…

I wish yandex worked well, but the enshittification wave reached it too. It used to have such a great reverse image search, now it's useless

Re: google.com/goto: Google's anti-scraping update

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Post by jeroenhd »

demibabs wrote: post #10

Can someone explain why this matters? Not being flippant I just don’t understand why this would be important.

If you make money trying to resell Google's free services and data, this is a disaster.

As a regular user, it's a minor annoyance.

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Post by ranger_danger »

copemaxxxing wrote: post #44

I've been using Brave search for a year now, because there is no way to turn off Google AI search. I don't miss Google at all. Goodbye you shit company.

> there is no way to turn off Google AI search

&udm=web works fine for me, you can use a browser shortcut or extension to enforce it

Re: google.com/goto: Google's anti-scraping update

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Post by ta8903 »

yokoprime wrote: post #222
ta8903 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What does israel have to do with this?

According to OP

>It would be delusional to expect any sort of press and related (like search engine or aggregation) freedom, or to try to compare this to anything in any other developed country.

Israel is responsible for killing more journalists than any other country. Google has profited by providing services to Israel in the ongoing genocide.

https://cpj.org/special-reports/record-129-press-members-kil...

https://afsc.org/gaza-genocide-companies#Google:~:text=Googl...

Re: google.com/goto: Google's anti-scraping update

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Post by tryauuum »

jimbob45 wrote: post #103
sofixa wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yandex. It reminds me of old Google, returning reasonable results and much less "shaping results to please our corpo-political masters". As long as you don't search anything related to Russia itself, or to Russian interests elsewhere (like their invasion of Ukraine). Then it's very heavily biased, priority is given to state ran propaganda mills, independent media is hidden from results, etc. And before anyone start…

Any proof of that? I’ve always found Yandex to be substandard but never for reasons of censorship.

there was a source code leak and you can see some examples there which make the president's image more alluring. e.g. if you search for "Putin" they add an invisible "-crab" to your query

that's the most innocent example from the top of my head. There probably are many more serious censorship issues

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Post by hexagonwin »

nomilk wrote: post #76

> Combined with earlier moves like removing &num=100 Removing this made google search horrible to use. I often use command+f to quickly identify relevant search results, but doing it on 10 results at a time is so laborious that I just don't bother using Google search, resulting in less searches and use of other tools instead.

would you mind sharing such other tool?

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Post by mitxela »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #229
mitxela wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi works by scraping Google and other engines, so this should still worry you. I still support the use of Kagi though, as a market signal to Google that we'd even pay them for their product if it wasn't dogshit.

For Google, the business side of you paying them doesn't work out as obvious as it might seem. Advertisers are sold the idea that 1000 clicks/impression is X dollars. The average impression might be priced at 1000/X$. But you are worth much more than that for two reasons. - you are a person willing to pay 5$ - Google can sell a “collectivized” product. The same way that eg collective farmer crop insurance creates act…

If they don't want to sell me a deshittified product, I'll continue paying someone else to extract the deshittified product from them. Their choice.

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Post by dgellow »

bomewish wrote: post #231

I really like the idea of turning the search index into a public utility. It is one of those natural monopoly coordination problem things. Just quasi nationalise it for economic efficiency. Ofc google can still sell adds against their own ui (like everyone else). Hopefully this move will move that idea closer to reality.

With the current administration? They would manipulate the results to ridiculous extent

Re: google.com/goto: Google's anti-scraping update

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Post by mitxela »

bad_username wrote: post #241
lubujackson wrote: post #82

As much as I am sad that Google died like 15 years ago, I am past the mourning phase. That was when they announced they were shifting from returning websites to "returning answers" and it has been a long slide into shittification I do enjoy using their free AI. For actual web search I actually like using Yandex. It reminds me of old Google, returning reasonable results and much less "shaping results to please our cor…

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Have you tried Yandex and evaluated the quality of its results, or do you just feel obligated to continuously put it down because it's russian?

Re: google.com/goto: Google's anti-scraping update

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Post by ibejoeb »

Cider9986 wrote: post #12

Brave search (free) or Kagi (paid) are able to replace Google and not feel like I'm missing out. Brave has its own independent index which is cool.

I use kagi exclusively because it works. I get the results I need every time, and it's not annoying. I haven't used Google in years. Simply no need. I really hope people keep paying kagi so they stick around.
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