Can anyone explain why they can’t put a fake internet between agents and real internet. So if anyone reaches the fake internet already trips the safety flag.
They effectively try to do something just like this, but getting it setup close to perfect is very difficult.
OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems
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I'd eat a shoe if that ever happened, at least under the Trump DOJ. Two big reasons. OpenAI has more data, and more ability to tease secrets of politicians out of that data than nearly anyone on earth. OpenAI has an automated hacking genie that governments want to use against their enemies. Sam to Trump: "You know, some people have been saying they want to bring charges against me, but you know, I've got the best dig…
Presuming these are true, I fail to see how any future politician and/or their administration would be any less susceptible to these issues. Is there some paradigm of virtue out there that I'm not aware of yet who is immune (or at least claims to be)?
If we're going full dystopic Big brother, can we at least get flying cars?
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#223Re: OpenAI agents carried out an undisclosed attack on RubyGems
#224> Our understanding from talking to people in the RubyGems community is that OpenAI never informed them that they were responsible for this attack. I really hope that's not the case, because if it is there are two options, both of them bad: 1. After the Hugging Face and Wiki attacks OpenAI were still unable to review their previous logs and determine that they had previously attacked RubyGems. 2. They knew about the…
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Also, why there's no accountability? Even if there's no intent, it's still a cyber attack.
It’s interesting that a lot of U.S. law requires intent. If you just give AI your objective without specifying the means, and the AI violates a bunch of laws requiring intent, but neither the AI nor the person can be prosecuted, this is very convenient.
But even if you didn't deliberately intend for something bad to happen, you may have been reckless. For example, you might decide to drive 90 miles per hour in a 25 mph zone. You could have a completely pure heart, but you are acting without regard for the safety of others, so you're reckless. That is enough for certain crimes and for civil liability in nearly all cases.
Then there's negligence, where you're not taking reasonable care to avoid harm to others. Negligence usually isn't enough to support criminal liability - especially for felonies - but it is enough to win a civil lawsuit over most things.
And then, as another commenter noted, there is strict liability, where there are certain things you are just not allowed to do no matter how careful you are about them or how pure your intentions are.
For what it's worth, this is not totally uncharted territory for the law. AI agents are brand new, yes, but agency relationships have been recognized by the law for centuries. Generally speaking, if someone acts negligently while they are carrying out a task at your direction, you can be held responsible. Obviously this is fact-dependent, but I don't see any reason why it would be different if the agent is made of silicon rather than carbon. It holds true, with various nuances, even for less-than-human instrumentalities like a pet or an otherwise-lawful weapon.
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A strict liability crime is something of an oxymoron. Crimes always require intent, the mens rea element. The question is intent for what. If somebody drugged you without your knowledge and you were charged with a DUI, you would have a defense--no intent to become intoxicated. The strict liability means once you choose to become intoxicated, you're liable for driving intoxicated, even if in some other context your in…
Are you a lawyer? Fairly certain that the entire point of strict liability is that mens rea is not required for certain crimes. As in, if I meant to travel at 70 and was instead doing 100 it doesn’t matter that I sincerely meant not to speed and did not know I was speeding, I can still be convicted even if the judge believes I had no intent.
IANAL but from what I've looked up in the last there's at least willfulness that matters for these things. For example if you could prove that happened because your car accelerator pedal broke and you had no opportunity to react, I'm pretty sure you would not be guilty, strict liability or not.
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Trump's secrets are already out there, and his supporters really don't care. They never will at this point. He's not vulnerable to blackmail.
He's also incredibly vain. See how hard he pushed back on releasing the epstein files that contained basically nothing bad about him.
??? The redacted files contained damning evidence about him in them.
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#228Authors Spencer Kitts, Thomas Larsen, Sydney Von Arx - those are the three of the same authors as the Wiki report from last week: https://collusion.wiki/
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#229I wonder how much of this is intentional "incompetence" so they can justify the most recent campaign to build a regulatory moat against competition. The repeated refusals to disclose until caught certainly seem malicious, yet at the same time the boasting about their capabilities is also at an all time high.
Intentionally doing this kind of hack would be a serious felony. I don't think it's plausible that the leaders of a major business would: - commit serious felonies - in order to deliberately trigger an investigation against themselves - which - since, in this scenario, they know their company would be investigated - might send them to jail - while at the same time spending tens of millions of dollars on the Leading t…