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Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Sweden main issue is that there is no transmission capacity between North and South, like now prices are 2x at south.

That's due to shutting down reactors in the south. Turns out "transmission capacity" is more complicated than having fat wires...

Shutting down => Not building new ones. All decommissioned reactors would have reached EOL by 2025 anyhow.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Russia builds a lot of reactors as well. Hence, they were hired to build the Hanhikivi one in Finland, after the French disaster. Unfortunately, the project was cancelled for moronic political reasons.

> Unfortunately, the project was cancelled for moronic political reasons. From Wiki[1], I see: > In March 2022, in light of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Finnish Government declared that a rapid independence from Russian energy production is desired, and that the construction of the plant should not continue. Mika Lintilä, Finland's Minister of Economic Affairs, declared that he would not issue a construction…

Because the idea of the nuclear plant was to get:

1. Consistent stable long-term energy 2. Controlled by Finland, to minimize all kinds of risks (war foreign influence, cut sea cables, worsening of relationships with other countries, market conditions and economic situation changing.

So what did Finnish politicians decided to do? To cancel the project for nonsense political reasons (let's see how much Finland will be forced to pay in damages), therefore INCREASING the reliance on foreign sources or unstable local sources.

This is the stupidity on the level of "Germany decided to run down all the nuclear powers for the sake of environment". With disastrous results!

"We don't want to allow Russians to build anything" is a statement full of feelings, but not a lot of sense, if one thinks even a little bit deeper.

Finnish oldest Loviisa nuclear station is Soviet based and this has not caused any problems. The nuclear fuel is also being provided by Russia, despite the war.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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There's a special line crossed by a 100% Chinese owned floating nuclear power plant, as opposed to a 24% Chinese owned fixed in place nuclear power plant like the Hinkley Point C nuclear power station?

You wouldn't even need it to be Chinese owned. Just Chinese built and indemnified. Hell, I'd take a guarantee from a consortium of Chinese SoE banks over the U.S. government today. (I'm American.)

Even if you own it, you'll need the Chinese to run it for you and provide you with spares.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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What it does allow is for Google and the governemt to say these data centres aren’t generating any co2 Of course everyone’s else’s co2 emissions then increase instead. The only solution is more zero co2 emissions. Google could have funded large wind farms, or a new nuclear plant, or grid connections to other locations. But that would cost more.

Google has been doing all of that for decades. I remember when they started building their first data center (back when almost no companies required enough compute for an entire data center) they chose the location due to the cleanest energy they could find (hydroelectric on a river that wasn't blocking fish migration).

I'm assuming that was when "don't be evil" still mattered to them?

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Russia builds a lot of reactors as well. Hence, they were hired to build the Hanhikivi one in Finland, after the French disaster. Unfortunately, the project was cancelled for moronic political reasons.

When your supplier is threatening to invade and kill your people, and has critical control over supply of parts of your reactor, and regularly commits acts of nuclear terrorism such as droning the newly completed sarcophagus around Chornobyl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant_... Well, avoiding business deals with that neighbor is the only rational action. Building a Russian nuclear reactor…

There would not be a critical control over the reactor, just the opposite. Finland would control everything and could have even bought fuel elsewhere.

Loviisa station is Soviet-built, has been working amazingly well and till this day has been supplied with the fuel from Russia, despite the war and all.

Nuclear station being a big target on its own is the only negative, among a pile of positives. That's why:

1. Mini-reactors should be developed

2. No, even nowadays, Putin has not really attacked nuclear stations for real in Ukraine. It's been a big no-no. All the rest of the energy infra - yes, but not nuclear stations.

3. If the real war starts with nuclear stations being bombed, it will not matter who build the station, Finland is going to be completely fucked, considering how much of the energy is nuclear. Taking this argument into a logical conclusion, Finland (or any other country) should not have any nuclear reactors on the chance that they will be attacked. This is a silly level of risk management, a very shallow and blind view.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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So Germany is a net exporter of energy and is somehow causing checks notes ALL of Europe's high energy prices? Weird

For some reason the HN commentariat is very pro-nuclear, and it drives them INSANE that the shutdown had minimal consequences(as only a small proportion of power production was nuclear and it was entirely replaced by new renewable capacity).

I think no one outside of Germany particularly cares about their internal politics, energy prices, or what role the Energiewende placed in the long-term industrial slowdown. The criticism that Germany gets for the Energiewende is that they decided to shut down nuclear power plants while THEY WERE STILL BURNING COAL! I don't think this legally qualifies as a crime against humanity, but it was horribly negligent.

Coal is such a dirty fuel, that burning it should be a last resort. A properly running coal plant with all safety equipment working will kill people through pollution. Every year in Germany and all downwind countries people die due to the effects of burning coal. (See https://wwfeu.awsassets.panda.org/downloads/dark_cloud_repor.... )

Long term, it is hard to know the loss of life that will come from this foolish policy. The Energiewende was implemented around 2010 - they knew about the role of CO2 as a greenhouse gas and they. did. it. anyway.

So now 15 years later, how much dependent is Germany on coal? Last I looked it was about 20% of the electrical power generated. They estimate that sometime between 2030 - 2038 they will stop all burning of coal.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Germany became a net electricity importer after shutting down its final nuclear power plants in 2023. On top of that, heating still runs mostly on gas, which won't be fun this winter. Due to the inefficiency of gas heating, there will be less gas available for Germany's gas power plants. Now imagine if Germany's dream of hydrogen vehicles, where most hydrogen comes from gas, also became a reality...

By the first quarter of 2026, Germany recorded net exports of 2.6 TWh. In the middle of winter. We are out of the lump.

When you look at the first half of the year, Germany was a net importer of electricity:

>Net imports amounted to only 1.3 TWh, compared with 9.6 TWh during the first half of 2025.

Though 1.3 TWH is a huge improvement over 9.6 by any standard.

https://energy-charts.info/?l=en&c=DE

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