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Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by superkuh »

i2talics wrote: post #155
superkuh wrote: post #129

I hope this kind of thing means Rust stops making so many rapid breaking changes in th compiler. I've tried it twice, once in early 2021 once 2025. Both times I tried to compile a few random projects I found on the web, stuff like a wordpress fanfic scraper, a software defined radio program, etc. In 2021 my linux distro I was using had just been released 3 months prior but it's rustc already could not compile 2 of 3…

It sounds like you are not running into breaking changes, you are just running into projects that like to use new features that are not available in your older compiler.

Correct. From the point of view of a stable desktop LTS system the code that the typical rust developer writes breaks within a few months as it starts using features from latest that are forwards compatible.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by zahlman »

monocasa wrote: post #510
zahlman wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you need that kind of resolution for a weather app? What are you even going to depict with all those pixels?

Because people are looking at it on 4k screens.

I mean, I usually check the weather by putting "weather" into a search engine. And this will show me little SVG icons that take up a tiny fraction of my low-resolution screen and probably involve like less than a kilobyte of path description. And I think this looks perfectly fine and I can hardly even fathom why anyone would want it to be fancier than that. I think that even animating them would make the display actively worse.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by hn_submit »

fishfasell wrote: post #330
i2talics wrote: post #157

I hope announcements like this show that Rust is not a fledgling little language that moves fast and breaks things anymore. It's a mature, serious competitor to well established languages like C++ and C#. This is particularly important when trying to compare the experience of using Rust to other languages in the "better C/C++" space like Zig and Odin -- these are much newer and have more rough edges than Rust.

Rust is a serious contender for the next mainstream, widely adopted low level language.

I would say it already is. But it takes time for all software to be rewritten in Rust.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by hn_submit »

cwbrandsma wrote: post #65
petilon wrote: post #41

If it is a tier-1 language why isn't it supported in Visual Studio?

Because it is already supported in VS Code. I don't think this is a hot take, but I'm predicting Microsoft will gradually phase out Visual Studio in favor of VS Code.

I hate VS Code (even though I use it regularly on Linux Mint) because it's basically "File Focused" not "Project Focused" or "Solution Focused."

Yeah, I know that it can read Visual Studio Projects and Solutions but these are kludges. It's essentially a souped-up file editor.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by okanat »

mook wrote: post #76
the__alchemist wrote: post #14

With certain rough edges like complex traits and Async aside, rust is an S-tier lang in several domains. Of interest: - Embedded - PC desktop applications - Computationally-intense scientific programming. (Chem, structural bio etc) - OSes, drivers etc - High-performance tasks in general. CPU, GPU, etc. It's not a memory-safety one-trick pony; it's a well-rounded lang which has learned from its predecessors.

Oh, its good at doing desktop applications these days? Which GUI libraries are good these days? Some native win32 binding? Are there good equivalents for Qt? I'm interested in getting back to native application development; the job is on Electron right now and it's… meh.

> Oh, its good at doing desktop applications these days? Which GUI libraries are good these days? Some native win32 binding? Are there good equivalents for Qt?

If your goal is "delivering applications to only well-sighted people who can handle non-native and buggy UI", yes iced, EGUI, gpui exist. But as you can guess they are years behind Qt where you have quite the professional toolkit and properly implemented accessibility features (with a lot of bugs and horrible API because Qt).

The only foolproof way of having truly professional software is still the same: have N different, very-well integrated UI implementations (like Adobe does, $$$ in developer or agent fees) or use a Web browser aka Electron.

With Rust you can use Win32 or WinUI3. Both are provided by Microsoft-developed crate windows-rs.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] »

za3faran wrote: post #504
throwaway273748 wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is mathematically impossible for a Java program to be faster than a well optimized Rust program, so long as the JVM exists and requires non-zero resources to run (to say nothing of GC etc). This isn't me glazing Rust, this is just the boring observation that a VM language is necessarily going to be outperformed by a language without a VM. VMs have good attributes, but they are never zero cost.

Key is "well optimized". At some point and scale, it becomes almost impossible to chase those manual optimizations, not to mention that usage patterns at runtime can change in such a way that make such an optimization prohibitively expensive, if not outright impossible. And even then, you would end up matching what the JVM JIT offers anyway. What I mentioned is already something that people have observed for both Rus…

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