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What science has proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that nothing comes after death? I'm sure most of the human race would be very interested to read the white paper.

“Science can’t prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that nothing comes after death, therefore a guy is flying around in outer space listening to my thoughts in his golden city at the end of time. If you disagree you will catch on fire forever.”

Who are you quoting?

Edit: Did you really make a burner account to post this? lmao

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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I think even most religious people accept that bud, unless you're talking to a specific sect of evangelicals. It doesn't disprove religion or "magical fairies" [†] at all. [†] r/atheism circa 2016 called and want their dorky terminology back.

Christians don't believe they're made in the image of God? That's news to me.

I think we've lost the plot, you were talking about the earth being made 6000 years ago and now you're talking about people being made in the image of god? You're just scrabbling for anything you think will score a cheap shot, when I'm not even Christian bro. Go try to dunk on someone who's at least half as emotionally invested in this as you are, goofball.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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> …are you sure a brave stance against safety and welfare is what we need in this moment? Is it out of convenience to not see the hypocrisy? "Safety and welfare" for you and me . Yet if you work at Anthropic or OAI, or are a partner of them then you can let it rip! Oh, and when they illegally do just that - you get a "we're sorry bro" blog post that's designed to drum up FOMO and, most importantly, zero accountabilit…

1. Slippery slopes are usually seen as a fallacy. 2. You're misinterpreting this as a battle over what kind of topics you can use a hosted chatbot for, and which are forbidden for corporate reasons. That is, to say least, small potatoes. 3. Blaming the companies for "zero accountability" is pretty odd. All of this is brand new, and the two big ones are both pushing for new laws on this very thing. 4. Your last point.…

> 1. Slippery slopes are usually seen as a fallacy.

Deep, tell me more. Was that fun to type? Or did you copy it from a chatbot?

> 2. You're misinterpreting this as a battle over what kind of topics you can use a hosted chatbot for, and which are forbidden for corporate reasons. That is, to say least, small potatoes.

No, actually I'm not. I think you've missed the point. But thanks for mansplaining this down to "small potatoes". I prefer "spuds", anyway.

> 3. Blaming the companies for "zero accountability" is pretty odd. All of this is brand new, and the two big ones are both pushing for new laws on this very thing.

You must love the dichotomy of pay for play in a world where the pay side stole the data they're selling back for play. Laws? Give me a break. If laws were of actual consideration frontier labs WOULD NOT EXIST.

> 4. Your last point... I'm not sure I understand, sorry. They're experts in AI. Are you saying that they need to be experts in, say, bioweaponry? If so, that doesn't really follow IMO.

Is it really that hard to follow? A system that they're selling access to, and that they're saying is "dangerous" for the normies, but not for their own employees or chosen customers, is fucking laughable. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that they conveniently choose their side of the argument that's best for them in these situations. OUR MODELS ARE POWERFUL! BUY NOW! OUR MODELS ARE POWERFUL! REGULATE THIS SO PEOPLE CAN'T ABUSE! I'm kind of disappointed this was not flanked by a potato sized snippet of wisdom.

> 5. Pointing out an example of the government comissioning a private corporation to build a system to drack dissidents is exactly the "safety and welfare" work that I'm a proponent of!

WOW. I mean, just wow. Enjoy your surveillance state man. I'm not going to sugar coat this but you're part of the problem, IMO. I'm sure you wave happily as you drive past the Flock cameras in your area. So much safer! Dissidents be gone! "Drack" (sic) them all, but... Not me. o_O

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Yup, alignment doesn’t sound that interesting until you’re getting chased around by the Terminator.

There are so many practical problems with rogue AI being a threat to humanity that are still not even decades away with being solved that it should be a serious concern for no one. There's plenty to be afraid of regarding AI from a financial or ecological perspective, just not from it taking over the world or directly killing humanity. Here's some of the reasons a rogue AI won't kill humanity: 1. The most advanced ro…

I was mostly kidding about the actual killer robot part.

I think a rogue AI could try to manipulate society through hacking, propaganda, etc., though. To what end? Not sure.

More likely, it’ll be used by rogue human actors to steal money or cause major disruptions to critical technology of an adversary.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Just a reminder that if you want to try this via OpenRouter, DeepSeek openly trains on all of your prompts. So maybe don't go using this to solve the last unforced step of Navier-Stokes. (Or wait until some other providers start hosting this with ZDR or other policies, which shouldn't be too long.) https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4.1-flash

You can get DeepSeek v4.1 Flash with ZDR vir Ollama Cloud as well. https://ollama.com/library/deepseek-v4.1-flash
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