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Re: Live Picture: Software that was way ahead of its time

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Post by stagas »

pyalot2 wrote: post #26
jawngee wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop bending semantics to fit your binary view point. Instant in this case means you move the brush and it distorts as you move the brush. No parallax, no beach ball waiting for it to do the computation. It happened as you moved it. It was instant. Even with brush sizes the size of the image you were using. It had unlimited undo. It had unlimited layers. That's not an arguable point.

Right, unlimited everything, got it. /me wonders why he even tries to point out the folly to people with no clue about how computers work...

Don't take words literally. Instant in this context means what jawngee said, that it was so responsive to the degree that people conceived it as instant. Awesome. Layers were unlimited meaning you could add as many as you want. Undo operations were unlimited meaning you could work on it for 10 hours straight and undo to the point it was before you started working on it. I believe that's what everyone gets from these words, except you.

It's not like people will think it's unlimited for real, there's no such thing.

It seems to me you are having problems interpreting words in context.

EDIT: I mean, if he said you could have 8K undos, or 8K layers and the response time is <15ms would that make you feel better? Does it make a difference?

Re: Live Picture: Software that was way ahead of its time

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Post by planckscnst »

pyalot2 wrote: post #29
muyuu wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These terms are understood in their context, or otherwise completely useless in real life.

In and Out of context, there's no such thing as instant and unlimited. There might be fast, and there might be a lot, and there might be faster and more than you usually need. But I repeat, stop claiming utter nonesense.

If you ran into a limit, submitted a bug, and they moved the limitation out further, and they continued to do this every time you submit a bug, is it unlimited?

I'm not suggesting this is what they did, but if it was, would you consider that unlimited?

Re: Live Picture: Software that was way ahead of its time

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Post by nerme »

pyalot2 wrote: post #26
jawngee wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop bending semantics to fit your binary view point. Instant in this case means you move the brush and it distorts as you move the brush. No parallax, no beach ball waiting for it to do the computation. It happened as you moved it. It was instant. Even with brush sizes the size of the image you were using. It had unlimited undo. It had unlimited layers. That's not an arguable point.

Right, unlimited everything, got it. /me wonders why he even tries to point out the folly to people with no clue about how computers work...

We write software for humans. The same humans who can't tell the difference between instantaneous events and events separated by less than a few milliseconds. The same humans who won't be around for long enough to recognize the difference between a really large number of events and an unlimited number of events.

So, by all means, continue to write software for those ideal beings that live in a world of comprehensible instantaneous and unlimited events, but you'll find that most people on this forum are operating under a different assumption.

Re: Live Picture: Software that was way ahead of its time

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Post by pretoriusB »

gokhan wrote: post #22
pyalot2 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to burst your bubble, if you think there's such a thing as unlimited and instant you're sorely mistaken. It might've been fast in simple cases compared to the alternatives, but there's no two ways about it that all computation takes time, and you can make tradeoffs where you cache more and compute less, but that's it. It's not instant and unlimited. It's Limited and fast, or more limited and faster, or more ram…

Did you actually use the software in the article?

OK, it's getting silly. It's like asking "have you used the perpetual machine before knocking it?" or 'have you used the miracle cure?".

You don't have to use anything. You just have to know how computers work.

"Unlimited" in software can only mean: limited only by the computer's memory. Which is still a limit.

And "instantaneous response" with large images? I beg to differ. Maybe for the kind of image sizes used at the time...

Re: Live Picture: Software that was way ahead of its time

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Post by lnanek2 »

pyalot2 wrote: post #26
jawngee wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop bending semantics to fit your binary view point. Instant in this case means you move the brush and it distorts as you move the brush. No parallax, no beach ball waiting for it to do the computation. It happened as you moved it. It was instant. Even with brush sizes the size of the image you were using. It had unlimited undo. It had unlimited layers. That's not an arguable point.

Right, unlimited everything, got it. /me wonders why he even tries to point out the folly to people with no clue about how computers work...

It's just not a useful factor of the conversation if it is actually instant or if it was just so fast people felt it was instant. I could spend years getting the frame rate of one of my games from 59 to 60 per second, but it isn't a meaningful difference.

Re: Live Picture: Software that was way ahead of its time

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Post by rikacomet »

FuzzyDunlop wrote: post #9
rikacomet wrote: post #6

A monopoly can also be seen as, a pioneer making something useful, others being unable to replicate or challenge with their own. take gimp for example, it is nowhere near the dominance of adobe. its like windows-macintosh of the computer graphics world.

Even apps like Pixelmator don't quite get enough in there to adequately replace Adobe's offerings. In fact, I can only think of Dreamweaver as the prime example of something that has plenty of superior competition, attacking from a variety of angles.

indeed, thats a very good example, but still, what we are forgetting is the insane amount of money it costs to buy adobe software, even if they have lesser market share, they sure make up for it. Supposedly, their customers are all the artist, for whom 1000-2000$ is like buying new clothes. This allows adobe to further seal its position, through spending on R&D to pull further ahead of the competition.

so we can say, adobe would not stand challenged until someone can beat them on this part, with a proper strategy. Which is true for its current competitors, all of which only try to make the best from their current possibilities.

Re: Live Picture: Software that was way ahead of its time

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Post by henningtegen »

We are currently working on a application with similar features called Leonardo although Leonardo is streamlined for digital painting, not photo editing.

Leonardo is still at least 6 months away from being released but all the features like "unlimited canvas", "instant painting" and handling of "huge files" are already in place.

Main website: http://www.getleonardo.com (not much there yet)

We also just started a Vimeo channel were we "blog" about the progress of Leonardo: https://vimeo.com/channels/sol/

Unfortunately there is no video right now showing the "unlimited canvas" and "instant painting", but I can make one within the next couple of hours... :)

Re: Live Picture: Software that was way ahead of its time

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Post by woah »

pyalot2 wrote: post #26
jawngee wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop bending semantics to fit your binary view point. Instant in this case means you move the brush and it distorts as you move the brush. No parallax, no beach ball waiting for it to do the computation. It happened as you moved it. It was instant. Even with brush sizes the size of the image you were using. It had unlimited undo. It had unlimited layers. That's not an arguable point.

Right, unlimited everything, got it. /me wonders why he even tries to point out the folly to people with no clue about how computers work...

You are amazingly pedantic!
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