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Psychoactive substances helped spur Andean civilization

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Re: Psychoactive substances helped spur Andean civilization

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Given that many of our current-day subterranean environments are also covered in art and strewn with drug paraphernalia, can we really say that it played a key role in the rise of the civilization?

All you can really say is that negligence is corrosive to civilization, and maybe that drugs act as an amplifier of sorts for society's illnesses and qualities.

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#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can 100% say that European civilization was heavily, heavily influenced by the consumption of alcohol.

What do you mean "was"?

Supposedly there was a time when drinking beer was often safer than drinking water from available sources, including for children. I guess there are levels

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I read many years ago that psychedelics are what lead to the formation of consciousness. And it’s supported by the fact that psychedelics are also a network like the brain is. And when taking them, your brain experiences plasticity and that’s what allows profound changes. A big part of our consciousness is the default mode network (which is a default of how we operate day to day, things we think about, etc). Psychede…

Just for clarification. The default mode network is what activates when we are at rest or ”not focused on the outside world”. Ie daydreaming and mind wandering, even if it also can be active during detailed thinking.

It has also been shown to have negative correlation to networks in the brain associated with attention.

Re: Psychoactive substances helped spur Andean civilization

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I read many years ago that psychedelics are what lead to the formation of consciousness. And it’s supported by the fact that psychedelics are also a network like the brain is. And when taking them, your brain experiences plasticity and that’s what allows profound changes. A big part of our consciousness is the default mode network (which is a default of how we operate day to day, things we think about, etc). Psychede…

> psychedelics are also a network like the brain is

Sorry to be rude, but what the hell does that mean?

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#16

I read many years ago that psychedelics are what lead to the formation of consciousness. And it’s supported by the fact that psychedelics are also a network like the brain is. And when taking them, your brain experiences plasticity and that’s what allows profound changes. A big part of our consciousness is the default mode network (which is a default of how we operate day to day, things we think about, etc). Psychede…

> psychedelics are also a network like the brain is Sorry to be rude, but what the hell does that mean?

Fungi grow as a vast interconnected network and can communicate to other fungi. Similarly to how the neurons in the brain communicate.

In fact, when you take fungi, it tones down common neural pathways and allows new ones to form between new places.

Re: Psychoactive substances helped spur Andean civilization

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I read many years ago that psychedelics are what lead to the formation of consciousness. And it’s supported by the fact that psychedelics are also a network like the brain is. And when taking them, your brain experiences plasticity and that’s what allows profound changes. A big part of our consciousness is the default mode network (which is a default of how we operate day to day, things we think about, etc). Psychede…

How are psychedelic chemical compounds “a network”? Are you referring specifically to fungal mycelium? Of course there a tons of non psychedelic mushrooms and tons of non-mushroom psychedelics

Re: Psychoactive substances helped spur Andean civilization

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Didn’t mind-altering drugs like alcohol play a key role in the rise of any civilization?

Alcohol is a poison, not a drug, but I also think so. I honestly wish mind-altering drugs were more accessible sometimes, mostly because of safety. Millions are killed by adulterants in their street drugs.

As the saying goes: “the dose makes the poison”. Many (perhaps most) drugs cause harm at the wrong dosage.

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Didn’t mind-altering drugs like alcohol play a key role in the rise of any civilization?

Alcohol is a poison, not a drug, but I also think so. I honestly wish mind-altering drugs were more accessible sometimes, mostly because of safety. Millions are killed by adulterants in their street drugs.

Poison is a function of dosage. Water is a poison in a high enough dose.

What’s you’re arguments it’s not a drug?

Re: Psychoactive substances helped spur Andean civilization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> psychedelics are also a network like the brain is Sorry to be rude, but what the hell does that mean?

Fungi grow as a vast interconnected network and can communicate to other fungi. Similarly to how the neurons in the brain communicate. In fact, when you take fungi, it tones down common neural pathways and allows new ones to form between new places.

Ok, but there are plenty of psychedelics that don't come from fungi.
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