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Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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which engine? cause there are dozens already, and some are quite fast.

none of them are Nvidia GPU FAST

But more memory is available so a larger model can be loaded. It depends on the use case which is better. Any chat or voice model will have better UX with nvidia but document or code generation will be better with apple.

Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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I would rather take this option than a single H100: > 96 GB Dual NVIDIA RTX PRO 5000 w/ 1000W PSU (non-refundable) +$19,169 Though I don't think there's anything stopping you from trying to stuff an H100 into this machine if you want to BYO.

For that price you get the H100. The machine is overpriced, and I'd personally rather go for a second-hand workstation with server-grade components.

I would assume an H100 selling for less than $30k is a scam. I see one for 11,329€, and one for $25k but most are over $30k and I don't know how to judge these random storefronts. You've bought an H100 for $20k that was in working order recently?

Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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I find it hard to believe any enterprise willing to drop over $40k on a workstation PC would choose `Pop!_OS 24.04 LTS with the COSMIC Desktop Environment` over Ubuntu.

Why? It is built from Ubuntu[1]. I am a very happy full-time daily user. Anecdotally it is more stable and productive than Windows ever was for me, and plenty of enterprises use windows…

[1]https://system76.com/support/difference-between-pop-ubuntu

Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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Anyone know why they chose a consumer grade CPU on this? I’m a little surprised to see a 9950X as the top option. There’s not enough PCIe lanes available to run everything without bifurcation. I imagine the GPUs probably aren’t too bothered generally… but the NVMe drives are likely to slow down as a result. A Threadripper ain’t cheap, but if you’re spending $45k on a workstation it seems like a weird place to skimp.…

The GPUs might care quite a bit about bifurcation. The RTX Pro 6000s can communicate directly between themselves over PCIe 5.0 16x and saturate the bus doing so. This is used when doing tensor parallel LLM execution for the All-Reduce steps.

Someone can work around this by including a PCIe 5.0 switch like the Broadcom PEX89048. That switch can be used to, for instance, have the two GPUs talk to each other at full PCIe 5.0 16x speeds, while talking to the motherboard at say PCIe 4.0 16x, or even 8x. As an end user, cards using that switch seem to be an AliExpress only item, but I assume an OEM like System76 could get their hands on it to place directly on the motherboard. I imagine the price of adding that to a motherboard could be less than the price of switching to a Threadripper or Xeon 600 platform.

However, I can't find any evidence that System76 has added a switch, and in fact they refer to x8/x8 multi-GPU support, making me think they didn't add a switch. To my mind, this isn't a very satisfactory setup.

Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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large model and slow, or speed and a teeny model, make your choice

Or you get N of RTX Pro 6000 and get large and fast models :) Make your choice, and do it before the prices go up even more.

well yes if money is no object, why not

Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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Kind of feels like if you spend $40K on your GPU setup, you don't want to cheap out on the PSU. Still, you're right, I have a 1200W PSU for a single RTX Pro 6000, cost ~500 something, so still the PSU shouldn't be that large part of the total budget.

Funny thing is, you don't really want to just plug that into a wall socket. You want an uninterruptible power supply that can keep the machine running for the 5 to 8 minutes you need to get to it and shut it down safely during a power cut. But you'll find most household power sockets aren't actually rated for the kind of power these things draw at peak. If you go for a dual GPU you're going to want to sustain a highe…

Kind of feels like if you're noticing $1K here and $500 there, maybe $42K is too much to start with :)

Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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For that price you get the H100. The machine is overpriced, and I'd personally rather go for a second-hand workstation with server-grade components.

I would assume an H100 selling for less than $30k is a scam. I see one for 11,329€, and one for $25k but most are over $30k and I don't know how to judge these random storefronts. You've bought an H100 for $20k that was in working order recently?

What kind of comment is that? No, I have not bought the h100 obviously, and, yes, you can buy the new one for 20k. Used one for even less.

Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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Funny thing is, you don't really want to just plug that into a wall socket. You want an uninterruptible power supply that can keep the machine running for the 5 to 8 minutes you need to get to it and shut it down safely during a power cut. But you'll find most household power sockets aren't actually rated for the kind of power these things draw at peak. If you go for a dual GPU you're going to want to sustain a highe…

Kind of feels like if you're noticing $1K here and $500 there, maybe $42K is too much to start with :)

When you start getting into things like this, there's the initial price, then all the pile on of tax and the infrastructure needed to run thing. It's like getting a boat. For a mere $55K you can get a small one... but that is merely the cost of entry.

So you're right. If the $42K price tag didn't make you blink, the additional $2700 in tax, and the $2K to $3K for the work in your house are going to financial hiccups. But it means the cost to start is $50K, not just the price tag.

Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory

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Kind of feels like if you spend $40K on your GPU setup, you don't want to cheap out on the PSU. Still, you're right, I have a 1200W PSU for a single RTX Pro 6000, cost ~500 something, so still the PSU shouldn't be that large part of the total budget.

Funny thing is, you don't really want to just plug that into a wall socket. You want an uninterruptible power supply that can keep the machine running for the 5 to 8 minutes you need to get to it and shut it down safely during a power cut. But you'll find most household power sockets aren't actually rated for the kind of power these things draw at peak. If you go for a dual GPU you're going to want to sustain a highe…

True enough, depends how good your house electricity panel and wiring is. My basic plugs have 230V x 10A fuses so it would definitely take it to the limit. I also have some 16A which should be fine but I’d have to unplug one of the washing machine or heat pump type things. A 45k machine I would probably run on a UPS like you said. A lot of resistive heating household items use easily 2000W+ so it’s not super exotic but you do need to pay some attention
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