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A misalignment of AI in mathematics

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Re: A misalignment of AI in mathematics

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Post by jrowen »

datakan wrote: post #65

Everyones outraged all the time. It doesn't mean anything anymore. It's that meme from years ago about the red ants and the black ants living in a box peacefully until someone shakes the box and they start trying to kill each other. They go after each other and not the one shaking the box. OpenAI/Anthropic are shaking the box.

Everyones outraged all the time. It doesn't mean anything anymore.

Everything is sensationalized, every super niche happenstance is sold as earth-shattering drama, the outrage arms race is so tiresome.

Re: A misalignment of AI in mathematics

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Post by izacus »

datakan wrote: post #65

Everyones outraged all the time. It doesn't mean anything anymore. It's that meme from years ago about the red ants and the black ants living in a box peacefully until someone shakes the box and they start trying to kill each other. They go after each other and not the one shaking the box. OpenAI/Anthropic are shaking the box.

What a bizarre thing to say - is that your attempt to discredit anyone that complains about wrongdoing?

"Everybody's enraged, why don't you like this unethical thing being done to you by a company?"

What's going on here?

Re: A misalignment of AI in mathematics

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Post by [deleted] »

datakan wrote: post #65

Everyones outraged all the time. It doesn't mean anything anymore. It's that meme from years ago about the red ants and the black ants living in a box peacefully until someone shakes the box and they start trying to kill each other. They go after each other and not the one shaking the box. OpenAI/Anthropic are shaking the box.

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Re: A misalignment of AI in mathematics

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Post by jrflo »

jeremysalwen wrote: post #20

To me it doesn't seem like what AI has destroyed is the ability for mathematicians to develop understanding and share it with each other, but rather it's destroyed the yardstick (solving open problems) that has traditionally been used to measure how much they have contributed to that understanding. I do see how this is a problem in terms of assigning credit, but I think the cat is already out of the bag in terms of t…

Right. It seems like reading an AI proof (although it may not be well written) will provide the same insights as reading a proof from another mathematician, assuming it's been reviewed and edited, just like any human-authored publication. If the work is inherently valuable on it's own, I feel like that's mostly what matters.

Re: A misalignment of AI in mathematics

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Post by throwaway27448 »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #115

Academics should never leak their research to ClosedAI lest their work be stolen. Universities and corporations will have to build their own compute to not have their data stolen.

There is little indication of inclination or tendency this way. Sadly. I'd much prefer public universities own data centers than private corporations.

Re: A misalignment of AI in mathematics

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Post by scottyah »

ambicapter wrote: post #93
johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #14

The average programmer is outraged by OpenAI's methods, too. I don't care how good Astra or any subsequent models they may release might be... I am never going back to those token reset shenanigans.

What are the token reset shenanigans?

From what I see, a lot of people were angry at Anthropic's limits with the subscription plan. OpenAI had some issue I can't remember, and they reset people's token usage (for the session or weekly limits). I think they got a lot of good press, now OpenAI seems to just do it at random when they want a PR boost. It makes scheduling your worklife a bit difficult if you are limited by that.

There are a lot of us who just use the AI on projects until the session limit hits, and wait for the usage to reset.

Re: A misalignment of AI in mathematics

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Post by tmhn2 »

jeremysalwen wrote: post #20

To me it doesn't seem like what AI has destroyed is the ability for mathematicians to develop understanding and share it with each other, but rather it's destroyed the yardstick (solving open problems) that has traditionally been used to measure how much they have contributed to that understanding. I do see how this is a problem in terms of assigning credit, but I think the cat is already out of the bag in terms of t…

The issue of credit is a relatively minor point in the declaration.

It's more about bypassing the culture and processes mathematicians have developed that lead to human understanding, generating new ideas, and bringing up new generations of mathematicians. (See also his article about "non-renewable mining" of good problems.)

Reducing mathematics to "let's just generate results through an isolated and automated system" is a misalignment since it bypasses those processes.

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