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Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by mrandish »

Waterluvian wrote: post #317
embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

I'm imagining a future where a bunch of bizarre laws interact oddly (as they do), and now we've got websites with unnecessary nudity pasted in the corner. "Oh, those? Those are just compliance tits. Ignore those. It's just a thing that came a few years after we finally got rid of the cookie banners. The companies wanted certain protections awarded only to 18+ sites. But you can't just declare yourself an 18+ site, so…

Why not? We already need to include typos and misspellings to signal we're not an LLM.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by TZubiri »

choo-t wrote: post #163
TZubiri wrote: post #126

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This cynic take only makes sense if you have no children btw, because for you children don't exist, but you as an adult exist, so you only consider the possible impacts this may have on you as an adult. That the impacts on adults are negligible compared on children is irrelevant, because they are multiplied by 0, since they don't apply to you, so you only consider the infitesimal effect it has on you as an adult. For…

> For any parent with a child, it goes the other way, but with a slightly different mechanic. There is an effect on the adult, but it is so minor compared to the effect on children, that the proportionality causes you to dismiss the minor inconvenience it poses to adults, since you are focusing on the question of what happens to children. Can you fathom that childhood is only tiny part of everyone life, and negative…

Counterargument, everyone lived a childhood, but not everyone lives adulthood, so childhood affects more people. Also related, childhood is foundational, what happens in childhood forms who you are as an adult, so issues in childhood affect you as an adult too.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by ithkuil »

afpx wrote: post #164
Anon1096 wrote: post #155

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Literally every single HN thread these days mentioning big companies the top comment is some cynical conspiratorial nonsense. Say Big Tech is out to get you in any way possible no matter how outlandish and people eat it up. Nothing can just happen for good or neutral reasons it's always tied to some master plan.

Some people are just better pattern matchers

Being good at matching patterns doesn't mean the patterns you found have the causal relationships you think they have

Superstition in pigeons: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1948-04299-001

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by system2 »

Flavius wrote: post #355
00deadbeef wrote: post #351

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What makes you think AI isn’t damaging for kids? Teaching them to outsource their thinking to AI can’t be a good thing.

Nothing can be as bad as modern social networks. Unless they start pushing manipulation, brain rot, gambling and porn into each AI answer.

I'd say nothing damaged me more than the 90s unrestricted internet and extreme sites.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by erg0s4m »

Waterluvian wrote: post #317
embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

I'm imagining a future where a bunch of bizarre laws interact oddly (as they do), and now we've got websites with unnecessary nudity pasted in the corner. "Oh, those? Those are just compliance tits. Ignore those. It's just a thing that came a few years after we finally got rid of the cookie banners. The companies wanted certain protections awarded only to 18+ sites. But you can't just declare yourself an 18+ site, so…

Right this is exactly what happened with the new sesame laws. The government declared sesame as an allergen and enacted heavy fines if it was undisclosed. This lead to manufacturers adding sesame because they couldn't guarantee they were sesame free.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by [deleted] »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #50
layer8 wrote: post #37

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Adults are assumed to be responsible for what they expose themselves to, unlike children. Mandatory warnings like for tobacco might be in order, however.

And parents are assumed to be responsible for their own children, not governments or corporations.

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Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by jonathanstrange »

itintheory wrote: post #357
egorfine wrote: post #259

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> or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" It would be detrimental to the cause, which is to collect everyone's ID.

Whose cause? I think the government already has our IDs, given that they issued them.

Governments don't necessarily have the connection between your ID and what you do online, though, and some governments are known to massively buy publicly available data from data brokers to circumvent existing laws. By "some governments" I mean the US government, by the way. That's not a conspiracy either, it's well-documented.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by dgabriel »

egorfine wrote: post #259
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #119

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Age verification is not (should not be) the same as ID verification / storage / etc; the US needs laws similar to EU ones where companies can only get the minimum required PII. In the case of age verification that's zero, or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" that they get from a trusted party like a bank.

> or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" It would be detrimental to the cause, which is to collect everyone's ID.

We don't want your static ID, we want where and what you are at this moment in order to better tune the algorithm. Your ID is frozen in time, so at any given moment, big tech knows more about you than the government does. IDs are only good for minimal verification purposes.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by downrightmike »

egorfine wrote: post #259
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Age verification is not (should not be) the same as ID verification / storage / etc; the US needs laws similar to EU ones where companies can only get the minimum required PII. In the case of age verification that's zero, or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" that they get from a trusted party like a bank.

> or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" It would be detrimental to the cause, which is to collect everyone's ID.

Its actually to leak your gov't ID so data brokers can soak it up

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by snarfy »

skybrian wrote: post #100
scronkfinkle wrote: post #47

I once heard someone suggest that this should be on the OS level and I'm slowly coming around to the idea. There should be some kind of OS level flag that can easily broadcast to products that a child is using the device. No ID verification required, the parent is responsible for setting it, and all downstream applications are regulated to respect it, If applicable to the product. This removes the incredibly invasive…

This is almost right, but it shouldn’t be “is a child using the device?” It should be “is this a child-locked device?” There should be a children’s Internet, just like there are children’s libraries, and child-locked devices should give access to it. Adults should be able to use the children’s Internet to see what’s there and children should be able to use the adult Internet when supervised by parents and teachers. T…

There could be lock levels to this. By default everything is unlocked (level = 0), but if a content provider / host receives a signal/header with lock-level > 0 they should be required to honor it. Something like this would require government which means it will probably never happen. Much more power asymmetry to just track you.
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