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Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by bix6 »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #167
bix6 wrote: post #156

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Trump killed all rebates. Ariya builds buffer in to mask early degradation. All but one Ariya in my area are $20k+. A well specced is $30k. The math does not work if you own a functioning car unless you are willing to substantially downgrade.

I had heard that prices went up as a result of the oil supply crunch. Not seeing where the downgrade is, though. Even the cheaper trims of Ariya are nicer, better equipped, and more powerful than any new car in the low-mid 20s price range and the used ICE car market is entirely nonsensical, with some 1-3 year old used entry level models selling for almost as much as their new counterparts and popular 10 year old mode…

Because to purely swap for an EV I have to take my well specced current car, sell it, and buy a lesser specced EV (unless I bring additional cash to the table). And only then might I break even after years of lower maintenance / refueling costs.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by bix6 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #169
bix6 wrote: post #166

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> Yes because everyone wants a massive EV with a degraded 10 year old battery I said batteries are degraded at 10 years old. Your 8 year old car is 7% degraded. How is my point false? And to quote you > We generally see 1-2% range degradation per year.

You believe the degradation is material, all of the evidence says that it is not. I suppose we agree to disagree then. I don't have strong feelings on the topic, if folks want to keep paying for fossil fuels at these prices, or higher prices, versus driving an electric vehicle, good luck to them. That's a choice. Natural consequences are important to encourage better outcomes.

The evidence you showed like a leaf owner swapping for a bigger battery?

10% degradation is material and noticeable.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by toomuchtodo »

bix6 wrote: post #172
toomuchtodo wrote: post #169

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You believe the degradation is material, all of the evidence says that it is not. I suppose we agree to disagree then. I don't have strong feelings on the topic, if folks want to keep paying for fossil fuels at these prices, or higher prices, versus driving an electric vehicle, good luck to them. That's a choice. Natural consequences are important to encourage better outcomes.

The evidence you showed like a leaf owner swapping for a bigger battery? 10% degradation is material and noticeable.

My citations specifically speak to your example as being no longer relevant due to state of the art battery pack management. Please read them again. No one builds air cooled battery packs like the leaf had that were highly prone to failure. Battery pack architecture and management operations have continually been improved over the last two decades to improve longevity.

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Post by WarmWash »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #148
WarmWash wrote: post #146

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The problem is the "gas station mindset", where people are only able to view EV ownership through the lens of "drive till empty then fill up". A 250 mile round trip to the beach becomes unthinkable because the gas station mindset dictates that they will have to spend 30-40 minutes at a charger on the way home. The reality of course, is that you charge on L2 while at the beach, or stop for a quick 5-10 minute buffer c…

It’s almost maybe not a bad idea to take a ~30m breather on a 250m trip. Good opportunity to grab a bite to eat too since many chargers are situated near rest stops and restaurants.

Sure, but the rub is that you don't even need to take it. But if you only think in gas station thinking, it seems unavoidable.

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Post by tencentshill »

voakbasda wrote: post #130
gruez wrote: post #66

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>This was the desired effect though, as higher oil prices means more profit for US based oil producers. I'm sure that will trickle down any time now. That's giving the Trump administration too much credit. Before the war there were pieces about how oil companies were doing worse under Trump than under Biden[1]. Of course, you could argue that the Iran war is Trump finally responding to oil companies, but given that i…

I don’t know why anyone gives Trump credit for things like this. He (like all elected officials for the past few decades) is a figurehead and has been manipulated by careerists at every step, who themselves are beholden to the lobbyists that grease the wheels of government.

It's not that complicated with him. He literally gets on the phone with CEOs and takes orders directly. But that only sticks until another competing interest talks to him.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by Gracana »

throw0101d wrote: post #115
Gracana wrote: post #61

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Rule of Acquisition number 34: War is good for business. Rule of Acquisition number 35: Peace is good for business.

* https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition Really wish I had a better memory so I could memorize these as a lot of them would be really fun as everyday quips.

Haha, yeah, I mostly remember that they exist and then go look up the actual quote.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by iso1631 »

voakbasda wrote: post #130
gruez wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This was the desired effect though, as higher oil prices means more profit for US based oil producers. I'm sure that will trickle down any time now. That's giving the Trump administration too much credit. Before the war there were pieces about how oil companies were doing worse under Trump than under Biden[1]. Of course, you could argue that the Iran war is Trump finally responding to oil companies, but given that i…

I don’t know why anyone gives Trump credit for things like this. He (like all elected officials for the past few decades) is a figurehead and has been manipulated by careerists at every step, who themselves are beholden to the lobbyists that grease the wheels of government.

You reach him by running appropiate messages on fox news

Like any senile octogenarian you want to do something, brainwash them to do your bidding and make it think it's their own choice

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by Hamuko »

xutopia wrote: post #111
gizajob wrote: post #93

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Because fuel is so expensive.

And because driving is slower and less convenient than public transit there. Seriously in Berlin, Paris or London I would prefer the public transit options in nearly all of my trips.

Ah yes, Europe is just one big city.

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Post by lopsotronic »

WarmWash wrote: post #16

If oil starts ruining the financial picture on top of just the...global welfare of every living human picture, then maybe, just maybe people will actually give up their addiction.

No, it'll come down to blood once more. With thermonuclear explosives the de-industrialization will be even more complete than it was for Eastern Europe the last go round.

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Post by krior »

laimewhisps wrote: post #127
krior wrote: post #63

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No. The US is a sovreign nation. Noone "made" them act like that, they did this all by themselves and now thy try to shrug the responsibility.

I don’t think the US is a sovereign nation. No one wanted this war but we did it anyway. Our politicians are all bribed and blackmailed by Israel.

And who votes for those politicans?
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