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Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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I'd go electric if they were just cars and not shit android tablets with wheels stuck on them.

Every car has a 4G/5G modem in it now! Unless you cut off your search at about 2018, no matter what car you buy, you're giving up data! I don't like it either but you have to pick your battles these days.

Mine is from 2013.

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No if you actually do the math it’s not worth it.

In what way is it not worth it? I'm genuinely curious. I used to be dead-set-against electric cars but I just bought one and am loving it. The maths is staggering. It's secondhand though as I don't believe new ones are worth it.

blu nailed it, but to reiterate, if you already have a working car then the cost to to swap to an EV is not worth it. I have done the math with my current car and even with a downgrade it’s not worth it.

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Europeans don't drive half as much as Americans.

Because fuel is so expensive.

Rather because the population density is much higher. So there's less need and more inconvenience to longer commutes.

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It seems one way Iran fights the US asymmetrically is by harming the Federal financial picture with endlessly higher rates + borrowing costs. If this keeps happening month-after-month, year-after-year, we're really going to feel the squeeze. Treasury has already tried to reassure markets and failed Add to this other trade war nonsense...

Iran said publicly that driving up costs in the USA to effect the coming elections is their strategy.

and I'm not sure how much they need to do to drive up costs. During Covid the economy has started showing signs that the incentives are wrong and Trump 2 showed you can just buy government favours and tilt the field to your advantage.

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Refineries in US are making even bigger profits. They even skip on maintenance running at 95% capacity non-stop.

For now. They are well aware of the long picture. They know how long they can risk doing without maintenance, and will do it eventually. They are also well aware that EVs are coming and high fuel prices hurt them long term because people will switch and not come back. Someone else suggested they see $85/bbl as the ideal price. I don't know if that is true, but it seems reasonable.

EV is committing irrespectively of what refineries are doing at this point. The latest Chinese models with a reasonable range are cheaper to manufacture than ICE cars. So I can see why refineries want to get as much money as possible now before the massive switch to EV.

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Yes because everyone wants a massive EV with a degraded 10 year old battery

It’s not just old EVs that are cheap, it’s 1-3 year old low mileage off lease models too. My numbers may a bit out of date but for example, depending on the trim and mileage, the Nissan Ariya can be be had at between $15-$25k (with MSRP being over double that) and they only started selling those in 2023. Ariya’s thus far have shown great battery degradation too, with high mileage drivers (Uber etc) reporting 99% capa…

Trump killed all rebates.

Ariya builds buffer in to mask early degradation.

All but one Ariya in my area are $20k+. A well specced is $30k.

The math does not work if you own a functioning car unless you are willing to substantially downgrade.

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If oil starts ruining the financial picture on top of just the...global welfare of every living human picture, then maybe, just maybe people will actually give up their addiction.

Unfortunately it's not as black and white as that. The alternatives here in the UK are limited. It's basically ICE or electric. We have a staggering number of people that live in apartments so charging is out of the question except at public charging points and the cheapest I've seen is £0.40/kWh. Most of the fast chargers are £0.92/kWh. When I get my home charger fitted I'll be paying 6.9p/kWh between midnight and 6…

Huh, how does having options of ICE or EV cars mean high oil prices won't mean people try to use less oil?

If gas prices go up, expensive public EV chargers will be more appealing. I hope you get better infrastructure re: charging soon; here in California (not known for low energy prices nor for infrastructure-building capacity) most fast chargers are between US$0.50 and US$0.70 (£0.37-£0.52) per kWh, so it is definitely possible. (You also need non-fossil-based electricity generation to truly decouple from oil/gas prices.)

I share your worries about industry, though — although trucks, earth-movers, etc could theoretically run on batteries or hydrogen or something, industrial processes using petroleum and natural gas may be around for a lot longer.

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Last I checked, depending on one’s needs, used EVs are among some of the best values in the US used car market. Their prices are closer to what prices on used gas cars would’ve been had the market not been turned on its head during the pandemic. The main caveat is that available models are heavily weighted towards “compact” (RAV4 sized) SUVs and larger. There aren’t many little Prius/Fit/Soul type town car models aro…

Yes because everyone wants a massive EV with a degraded 10 year old battery

This year I bought a 5 year old compact electric SUV with 94% reported battery health (gets about 20 miles under its EPA-estimated range) for under $12k.

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Yes because everyone wants a massive EV with a degraded 10 year old battery

EV batteries outlast the car. Unsophisticated consumers are still learning this though, so it is understandable when they don't realize it. EV batteries last longer than drivers feared - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49613527 - September 2026 (3 comments) Retired EV Batteries Scored a New Gig: Bolstering Texas’ Grid - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47143967 - February 2026 (0 comments) Most EV batteries…

Ok so your first link. Goes to leaf forum. User replaced battery with a bigger one.

Your second link. Texas takes batteries no longer suitable for car and makes grid.

Neither of those is a decade old car running on its original battery. And I also said degrade which we know is true.

What’s your point?

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Yes because everyone wants a massive EV with a degraded 10 year old battery

This year I bought a 5 year old compact electric SUV with 94% reported battery health (gets about 20 miles under its EPA-estimated range) for under $12k.

Which car and where? Did you sell your old car 1:1 to get it?
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