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Post by bluGill »

wombat-man wrote: post #120
toomuchtodo wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is a contributor, but the root cause of the Iran war was Netanyahu goading a simple person into it. The US military and intelligence community knew the risk of this, told everyone not to do it, and they did it anyway. (if one is some combination of unsophisticated, irrational, and vain, and in a position of power, they will eventually be exploited by someone more rational and sophisticated, imho)

I don't even really understand Israel's game plan here. Iran took a lot of damage but now they control the strait, they have a lot of leverage. Hard to know how it's going to shake out, but how is Israel better off now?

Israel didn't really change their position much. Iran was already funding all their enemies.

I suspect (know way to know) Isreal would have been better off attacking Iran alone - they could have sent a message "back off - we can do more harm to you than you can do to us", but sending that message is hard. They tried to send a clearer bigger message, but the problem is the message getting through ended up being "this is the worst that you will do to us and we can endure". The reality is Iran knows the US and Israel won't invade, and so long as that option is off the table Iran can do anything it wants knowing things won't get worse.

Compare to how Bush handled Iraq - months of convincing the world to help him invade (not always successfully, but enough that many people were sending troops). If conditions were sent such that troops really were on the table I would expect Iran to back down (I give it about 60% odds, which means 40% an invasion happens!). Israel would have won in that case, but it wasn't handled like that (there are reasonable odds that the US would refuse the propaganda to invade if that was tried though which means Israel would be back to the previous status quo...).

You probably have to read that last paragraph a dozen times to understand it. I'm not the best writer and it is a complex subject.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by WarmWash »

ItsBob wrote: post #103
OptionX wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be more than willing to go electric if someone sends me the cash to get an electric, because if I could replace my diesel-guzzling 11yo I would.

I've just bought my first electric car. It's a 3 year old Skoda Enyaq Sportline Plus. It's lost 60% of its value, has only done 57k miles and has a battery state of health of 97.4%. I paid £22k. I still maintain that new cars, especially new electric cars, are not worth the money but secondhand ones are a bargain now... relatively speaking.

>are not worth the money

The climate doesn't care what is and isn't worth the money.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by bluGill »

fpoling wrote: post #60
iso1631 wrote: post #32

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This would not be happening if the USA had not launched an attack on Iran This was the desired effect though, as higher oil prices means more profit for US based oil producers. I'm sure that will trickle down any time now.

Refineries in US are making even bigger profits. They even skip on maintenance running at 95% capacity non-stop.

For now. They are well aware of the long picture. They know how long they can risk doing without maintenance, and will do it eventually. They are also well aware that EVs are coming and high fuel prices hurt them long term because people will switch and not come back.

Someone else suggested they see $85/bbl as the ideal price. I don't know if that is true, but it seems reasonable.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by toomuchtodo »

bix6 wrote: post #73
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, depending on one’s needs, used EVs are among some of the best values in the US used car market. Their prices are closer to what prices on used gas cars would’ve been had the market not been turned on its head during the pandemic. The main caveat is that available models are heavily weighted towards “compact” (RAV4 sized) SUVs and larger. There aren’t many little Prius/Fit/Soul type town car models aro…

Yes because everyone wants a massive EV with a degraded 10 year old battery

EV batteries outlast the car. Unsophisticated consumers are still learning this though, so it is understandable when they don't realize it.

EV batteries last longer than drivers feared - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49613527 - September 2026 (3 comments)

Retired EV Batteries Scored a New Gig: Bolstering Texas’ Grid - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47143967 - February 2026 (0 comments)

Most EV batteries outlast their cars, real-world data shows - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47083580 - February 2026 (0 comments)

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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Post by Varelion »

bluGill wrote: post #124
Varelion wrote: post #89

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The smart ones properly realized that their home is no longer in the republican party. The others were swept up in culture war because... What other adults do in their lives needs immediate government intervention from the party of small government.

> their home is no longer in the republican party Which is why I'm no longer in the party... Where did the rest of us go?

Far left, or far right.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by WarmWash »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #70
OptionX wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be more than willing to go electric if someone sends me the cash to get an electric, because if I could replace my diesel-guzzling 11yo I would.

Last I checked, depending on one’s needs, used EVs are among some of the best values in the US used car market. Their prices are closer to what prices on used gas cars would’ve been had the market not been turned on its head during the pandemic. The main caveat is that available models are heavily weighted towards “compact” (RAV4 sized) SUVs and larger. There aren’t many little Prius/Fit/Soul type town car models aro…

The problem is the "gas station mindset", where people are only able to view EV ownership through the lens of "drive till empty then fill up".

A 250 mile round trip to the beach becomes unthinkable because the gas station mindset dictates that they will have to spend 30-40 minutes at a charger on the way home.

The reality of course, is that you charge on L2 while at the beach, or stop for a quick 5-10 minute buffer charge to get you home.

So everyone is all "I need 350-400 mile range or its totally a non-starter". Its just all around confused thinking.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

bix6 wrote: post #73
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, depending on one’s needs, used EVs are among some of the best values in the US used car market. Their prices are closer to what prices on used gas cars would’ve been had the market not been turned on its head during the pandemic. The main caveat is that available models are heavily weighted towards “compact” (RAV4 sized) SUVs and larger. There aren’t many little Prius/Fit/Soul type town car models aro…

Yes because everyone wants a massive EV with a degraded 10 year old battery

It’s not just old EVs that are cheap, it’s 1-3 year old low mileage off lease models too.

My numbers may a bit out of date but for example, depending on the trim and mileage, the Nissan Ariya can be be had at between $15-$25k (with MSRP being over double that) and they only started selling those in 2023. Ariya’s thus far have shown great battery degradation too, with high mileage drivers (Uber etc) reporting 99% capacity.

And that’s just one model. There’s also Kia EV6/EV9, Hyundai Ioniq 5/9, VW ID.4, Mustang Mach-E, and several others of a similar vintage that are similarly deeply discounted despite low miles.

It’s thanks to the many lease deals, tax rebates, etc bringing down their market value.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

WarmWash wrote: post #146
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, depending on one’s needs, used EVs are among some of the best values in the US used car market. Their prices are closer to what prices on used gas cars would’ve been had the market not been turned on its head during the pandemic. The main caveat is that available models are heavily weighted towards “compact” (RAV4 sized) SUVs and larger. There aren’t many little Prius/Fit/Soul type town car models aro…

The problem is the "gas station mindset", where people are only able to view EV ownership through the lens of "drive till empty then fill up". A 250 mile round trip to the beach becomes unthinkable because the gas station mindset dictates that they will have to spend 30-40 minutes at a charger on the way home. The reality of course, is that you charge on L2 while at the beach, or stop for a quick 5-10 minute buffer c…

It’s almost maybe not a bad idea to take a ~30m breather on a 250m trip. Good opportunity to grab a bite to eat too since many chargers are situated near rest stops and restaurants.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

sixothree wrote: post #126
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, depending on one’s needs, used EVs are among some of the best values in the US used car market. Their prices are closer to what prices on used gas cars would’ve been had the market not been turned on its head during the pandemic. The main caveat is that available models are heavily weighted towards “compact” (RAV4 sized) SUVs and larger. There aren’t many little Prius/Fit/Soul type town car models aro…

I really wish Honda would release the CRV plug-in hybrid in the states. But all we get is some weird hydrogen monstrosity. China has all electric vehicles with gas generators to charge the battery. That would make this work for my scenarios too.

It kills me that Japan and other countries have a nice hybrid Honda Fit that the US will never see.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Post by WarmWash »

thendrill wrote: post #38
WarmWash wrote: post #16

If oil starts ruining the financial picture on top of just the...global welfare of every living human picture, then maybe, just maybe people will actually give up their addiction.

You think the planet is gonna run out of oil before it runs out of water.... interesting.

The planet will never run out of oil, because people will always run out of money for it first.
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