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Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

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Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

#101
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a simple calculation though and not talked about enough. USA went to war in Iraq 25 years ago thanks to the oilmen in charge at that time. For all the political bluster about Iran and gas prices, $100 oil makes them hugely more profit than $60 oil. Of course producers and shareholders of American oil companies want that extra free money. They’re not pumping oil out of the ground and keeping it at a low price jus…

I think that is a contributor, but the root cause of the Iran war was Netanyahu goading a simple person into it. The US military and intelligence community knew the risk of this, told everyone not to do it, and they did it anyway. (if one is some combination of unsophisticated, irrational, and vain, and in a position of power, they will eventually be exploited by someone more rational and sophisticated, imho)

That’s correct but it’s multimodal. It might not have been the reason for getting involved in the first place but it does now seem like a reason for something happening every time the oil price starts to drop again.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

#102
post #12

In the late 90's/ early 2000 Diesel was about the same cost as regular gas and then at some point its about the same cost as premium gas. Is there any reason why Diesel costs more? I was always under the impression that it was a less-refined fuel therefore cheaper.

Diesel increased in price because truck drivers couldn't afford not to drive their truck. The cartel as well as the distributors are extracting all the value they can at every step. That is why diesel has increased so much.

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#103
post #43

If oil starts ruining the financial picture on top of just the...global welfare of every living human picture, then maybe, just maybe people will actually give up their addiction.

I'd be more than willing to go electric if someone sends me the cash to get an electric, because if I could replace my diesel-guzzling 11yo I would.

I've just bought my first electric car. It's a 3 year old Skoda Enyaq Sportline Plus.

It's lost 60% of its value, has only done 57k miles and has a battery state of health of 97.4%. I paid £22k.

I still maintain that new cars, especially new electric cars, are not worth the money but secondhand ones are a bargain now... relatively speaking.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

#104
post #48

$6 a gallon is about €1.36 a litre - thats cheap compared to a European average of €2 per litre. Still that makes very clear why Venezuela had to happen before Iran.

> $6 a gallon is about €1.36 a litre - thats cheap compared to a European average of €2 per litre.

As someone who drives a 2003 Golf TDI, I'm currently looking at CAD 2.40/L: EUR1.49/USD1.73 per L.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

#105
post #56

The Ukraine angle is another cheap shot by CBS (state sponsored news). Prices are rising because of Trumps adventurism in the the ME and now that the Houthies will likely control the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, world markets are reacting. There is nothing stopping US refineries from producing more diesel, you can use both sweet and sour, this is speculators squeezing the markets. What a great time it should be to electrify…

Genuinely curious...the output drop in refining from Russia is not also a large factor in diesel (and other Petro) price hikes? Or are you saying the Ukraine drone strikes have not affected the output at a scale where it matters globally?

Russia hasn't exported products in over a month now. If Diesel prices hit $6 today, it's purely because 6 months after the US president started his war on Iran, Iranian forces in Yemen have routed the Saudis and cut off the second of two SA oil export routes, damaging a vital pipeline in the process, sending crude to $100 and beyond.

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#106
post #32

It seems one way Iran fights the US asymmetrically is by harming the Federal financial picture with endlessly higher rates + borrowing costs. If this keeps happening month-after-month, year-after-year, we're really going to feel the squeeze. Treasury has already tried to reassure markets and failed Add to this other trade war nonsense...

This would not be happening if the USA had not launched an attack on Iran This was the desired effect though, as higher oil prices means more profit for US based oil producers. I'm sure that will trickle down any time now.

Non-US based producers too, I can already see the difference in my country's economic position.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is a contributor, but the root cause of the Iran war was Netanyahu goading a simple person into it. The US military and intelligence community knew the risk of this, told everyone not to do it, and they did it anyway. (if one is some combination of unsophisticated, irrational, and vain, and in a position of power, they will eventually be exploited by someone more rational and sophisticated, imho)

That’s correct but it’s multimodal. It might not have been the reason for getting involved in the first place but it does now seem like a reason for something happening every time the oil price starts to drop again.

Strongly agree, there's alway nuance and complexity.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

#108
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This was the desired effect though Honestly, I think you're giving far too much credit to the current US government.

It’s a simple calculation though and not talked about enough. USA went to war in Iraq 25 years ago thanks to the oilmen in charge at that time. For all the political bluster about Iran and gas prices, $100 oil makes them hugely more profit than $60 oil. Of course producers and shareholders of American oil companies want that extra free money. They’re not pumping oil out of the ground and keeping it at a low price jus…

It's more complex than that. US crude oil extraction companies don't want prices to climb too high as longer term that destroys demand and encourages customers to find alternatives. Something in the $75–80/bbl range for WTI crude is probably optimal to maximize long-term industry profits.

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

#109
post #32

It seems one way Iran fights the US asymmetrically is by harming the Federal financial picture with endlessly higher rates + borrowing costs. If this keeps happening month-after-month, year-after-year, we're really going to feel the squeeze. Treasury has already tried to reassure markets and failed Add to this other trade war nonsense...

This would not be happening if the USA had not launched an attack on Iran This was the desired effect though, as higher oil prices means more profit for US based oil producers. I'm sure that will trickle down any time now.

Yes its a rule in hell situation. Some folks are getting a larger share of a shrinking pie.

I am unsure its by design or just idiocy. (Probably a mix of both).

Re: Diesel prices in U.S. top $6 a gallon for first time

#110
post #56

The Ukraine angle is another cheap shot by CBS (state sponsored news). Prices are rising because of Trumps adventurism in the the ME and now that the Houthies will likely control the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, world markets are reacting. There is nothing stopping US refineries from producing more diesel, you can use both sweet and sour, this is speculators squeezing the markets. What a great time it should be to electrify…

Genuinely curious...the output drop in refining from Russia is not also a large factor in diesel (and other Petro) price hikes? Or are you saying the Ukraine drone strikes have not affected the output at a scale where it matters globally?

Russia stopped exporting diesel due to Ukrainian strikes. That badly hurt Turkey and to lesser extent Brazil. And Brazil started to get diesel from US allowing US companies to make a lot of profit. So Ukrainian strikes clearly affect global prices.

But then it also makes Chinese EV including trucks extremely attractive replacement. So China making a profit as well.

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