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Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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> At this point, the Houthis control Yemen. BBC and the gang are just promoting Western propaganda by pretending otherwise.

News media generally report the de iure situation, not the de facto situation. And de iure, Yemen still has a regular government, and the Houthi are a bunch of rebels.

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Why all the quotation marks in the article? It's not like they interviewed toddlers that said funny things.

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No, this is actual journalism. When it's from a direct single source, it's a quote, not an agreed upon fact.

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Will this bring oil prices down in Europe? Oil tankers could still go to the mediteranian via the suez canal. This will not help asia, but I can imagine if it is too dangerous the go through bab al-mandab strait it is more lucrative to sell the crude oil to europe at a discount?

> Will this bring oil prices down in Europe ... This will not help Asia

This hurts Europe more than Asia.

The UK, France, Italy, Netherlands, Denmark, and others are similarly opposed to the Houthis having conducted airstrikes on the Houthis (eg. 2025) as well as helping target them directly or indirectly.

And a large portion of global shipping is owned by Greek conglomerates - a country that is a close ally of Israel.

Most GCC states also have some form of defense agreement with the UK or France. If those turn out to be meaningless, it reduces their incentive to cut preferential deals with European states.

Additionally, this further enhances Turkiye and Pakistan's hand, as Saudi Arabia has signed defense pacts with both and Pakistan has threatened action against Iran yesterday if further incidents threaten Saudi Arabia. If they were able to dislodge the Houthis without direct European intervention, then it is a massive black stain on the EU's power projection capacity and it's claim that it should be treated as a great power. It also gives Turkiye additional leverage against the EU.

Finally, the Houthis struck the East-West Pipeline [0]. Much of the KSA's oil is in Eastern Saudi Arabia around Dhahran. Most large Asian states like China, India, Japan, and South Korea have continued operations in Iran that allowed them continued passage. European states lack access to GCC oil as a result of Perim island being controlled by the Houthis.

[0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/yemens-houthis-rea...

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Why all the quotation marks in the article? It's not like they interviewed toddlers that said funny things.

It’s in quotation marks because it’s a quotation. The BBC have not independently verified that the Houthis have taken control of the island, they are reporting what a government source has said.

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Why all the quotation marks in the article? It's not like they interviewed toddlers that said funny things.

Presumably to indicate that the parts in quotes are indeed quoted literally from the source that is mentioned in the same sentence?

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Will this bring oil prices down in Europe? Oil tankers could still go to the mediteranian via the suez canal. This will not help asia, but I can imagine if it is too dangerous the go through bab al-mandab strait it is more lucrative to sell the crude oil to europe at a discount?

most large tankers are too large for both the Suez and Panama Canals.

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Why all the quotation marks in the article? It's not like they interviewed toddlers that said funny things.

When I moved from the US to the UK, the use of quotation marks in news headlines was something that confused me. In the US, these would be "scare quote", with the quotation marks basically standing in for the words "so-called". In the UK, that is NOT their meaning. The quotation marks mean "we are not ourselves in a position to verify this, but it is the words that a source has told us". Very different meaning -- and once I got used to it, I think the UK use of language in this case is more honest and useful.

tl;dr: two countries, divided by a common language.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is real news. They just captured a bunch of modern Saudi-supplied equipment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThW3uz62XvI

Yes, I know its real news. I am speaking to the title. It's always "The Houthis did this" or "Houthi-controlled areas do X". They need to just stop promoting alternative facts and call it Yemen.

The Al Jazeera headline is "Houthis hail operation as they take over Red Sea coastline". An explainer further down is "Houthis capture Yemeni town of Mocha: Why it’s important".

All three headlines seem pretty neutral, no?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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No, this is actual journalism. When it's from a direct single source, it's a quote, not an agreed upon fact.

I would agree if they were actually quoting someone or if it was a more substantial quote. In this case, it appears to be an anonymous source.
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