Waiting for the Mentour Pilot episode on this.
NTSB issues investigative update on B-767 runway excursion accident in Miami
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Re: NTSB issues investigative update on B-767 runway excursion accident in Miami
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Capitalism caused this crash"
Ah, yes, the Soviets never took risks. It couldn't be that humans are fallible.
telling yourselves that it was "communism" that did this as opposed to the stark raving lunancy of the current American regime is hilarious misunderstanding of political ideals.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Southwest airlines had a culture of turning around fast at the gate. So maybe no explicit policy but culture can drive unintended consequences and decisions.
Turnaround at a gate and a life-or-death go-around judgement are two entirely different operations governed by entirely different sections of the FAA. Also this was Amazon, not Southwest.
Southwest's had a few dramatic overruns by pilots overeager to get on the ground, notably at Burbank (no fatalities) and Midway (one death).
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Notably, none of those allegations from the fired former chief(!) pilot actively suing the company while appealing his rejected OSHA case touch on in-flight procedures. If any of those are true, it will be very bad for the carrier, but they are not related to any of the failures being reported on.
> ...but they are not related to any of the failures being reported on. If pilots weren't being given enough rest time, as alleged, you don't believe that might affect decision-making in the cockpit?
Even if the pilots were getting their legally mandated rest, passenger pilots are held to a higher crew rest requirements because the lessons learned from Colgan Air only apply to passenger airlines. Even if that were enough rest the flight departed at what was likely their circadian low.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've never heard of anything even close to this. Airlines in the US do not pressure pilots to avoid go arounds. Pilots in the US do not delegate life or death decisions to ops, especially since the FAA legally holds them accountable for that. All pilots are aware that they are responsible for the decision to go around or not. Any airline found to be pressuring pilots to avoid go arounds would be in a world of pain wi…
We are talking about the same company that forces its employees to piss in bottles while driving to save time.
I'm no Amazon fan, but that was routine in trucking before Bezos was even born.
Similar to farmers working in the fields - they didn't walk all the way back to the farmhouse if they had to pee.
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#206Re: NTSB issues investigative update on B-767 runway excursion accident in Miami
#207Nathan fielder explored the relationship between pilots in season 2 of `The Rehearsal` , as much as it was comedy this is another example where his findings might have helped
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#208Captain Steeeve’s latest video on this tragedy is shocking, complete disregard for the aviation rules. I think he cited 11 separate instances of __mandatory__ go around, the first of which was before they were anywhere near the runway at 1000ft elevation.
It was not clear from watching how he got to 11 but the number is not particularly relevant - once you have one of them you induce many.
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#209A few observations to add context (partially stolen from PPRuNe): - Pilot Flying (PF) was the Captain, 55 yo (presumably) more experienced pilot, who only got certified to fly that type (B767) in May - Pilot Monitoring (PM) was a 38 yo first officer, also not very experienced on B767 - PF made a number of mistakes, going too high, too fast (partially because he was descending too fast), not catching the glidescope on…
I read several years back that most of the time when an accident happens the copilot knew something wrong was happening but wasn't willing to override the cap. This is a cultural change rather than procedure.
Re: NTSB issues investigative update on B-767 runway excursion accident in Miami
#210A few observations to add context (partially stolen from PPRuNe): - Pilot Flying (PF) was the Captain, 55 yo (presumably) more experienced pilot, who only got certified to fly that type (B767) in May - Pilot Monitoring (PM) was a 38 yo first officer, also not very experienced on B767 - PF made a number of mistakes, going too high, too fast (partially because he was descending too fast), not catching the glidescope on…
I read several years back that most of the time when an accident happens the copilot knew something wrong was happening but wasn't willing to override the cap. This is a cultural change rather than procedure.
There have been big changes over the decades on that but the counterfactual is also that you could imagine lots of crashes from confusion in the cockpit during critical times if two pilots are working towards cross-objectives or are more occupied communicating to eachother than just doing what one person said needs to happen.