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Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

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Re: Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

#21

I’ve observed exactly these patterns with Opus and Fable as well - for example, forgetting that they can edit files and instead use python scripts as a patching tool…

Why would you use a constrained edit tool when you are also allowed to use the complete power of python?

Re: Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

#22
post #15

These machines are doing some crazy things to get to the result. That said, I can't help but feel like this is the compilers argument all over again. Are the methods used to get to the result good? No. Is the code that it generates good? No. Does it achieve the goal. Yes. Is it likely to get better with time. Also yes. In my use cases, jobs that would have taken weeks to months are being done in minutes to hours. Inv…

What is the "compilers argument"?

People keep saying that "models are just compilers, and I don't see you complsining about compilers". Which is such a bullshit argument

Re: Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

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post #21

I’ve observed exactly these patterns with Opus and Fable as well - for example, forgetting that they can edit files and instead use python scripts as a patching tool…

Why would you use a constrained edit tool when you are also allowed to use the complete power of python?

Why even offer the edit tool in that case? Also, what kind of editing could they possible do what wouldn't be possible with POSIX ed?

Re: Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

#24

These machines are doing some crazy things to get to the result. That said, I can't help but feel like this is the compilers argument all over again. Are the methods used to get to the result good? No. Is the code that it generates good? No. Does it achieve the goal. Yes. Is it likely to get better with time. Also yes. In my use cases, jobs that would have taken weeks to months are being done in minutes to hours. Inv…

> Is it likely to get better with time. Also yes.

There are no signs to show that. If anything, the new models produce worse code, only significantly faster

Re: Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

#26

I’ve observed exactly these patterns with Opus and Fable as well - for example, forgetting that they can edit files and instead use python scripts as a patching tool…

Sounds like you don't have enough experience with coding agents. Deterministic scripts must always be preferred instead of LLM tool calls. In fact, you should instruct your agents to write code to execute instead of letting them call tools.

Re: Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

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post #21

I’ve observed exactly these patterns with Opus and Fable as well - for example, forgetting that they can edit files and instead use python scripts as a patching tool…

Why would you use a constrained edit tool when you are also allowed to use the complete power of python?

Because the complete power of Python also includes the power to fuck things up.

Re: Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

#29
gpt-6-astra is a bitch, it constantly scope creeps itself with "yet another thing" to give it that darn polished lick. the results are eventually a little bit better but at what cost? let's do the math.

gpt-5.6-sol: 1x base gpt-6-astra 2.5x base in subscription

then gpt-6-astra tends to spawn subagents a lot, often with all kinds of models such as gpt-5.6, 5.3-codex etc., which is neat. it's a good coordinator but even more cost.

and then it tends to run _full test suites_ over an over again (each costs like 15 minutes) just to verify that _one test_ was fixed etc., and does so for as long as until the test is fixed, eventually accumulating 2 hours or so.

yesterday I assigned it a task to rebase my changs in a repo onto the latest upstream changes. while gpt-5.6-sol consistently took like an hour to do so end-to-end, astra ran for more than 6 hours and still wasn't done. it kept finding "one more thing" that was goldplating that I didn't ask for.

Re: Astra for Coding: Why Are We Doing This Again?

#30
I love this dance we are doing where when people write the "AI models are garbage machines that produce garbage and are no where close to the fantasy being pedalled by the Crypto bros who pivoted to AI" it always has to be caveated with "AI models are useful and I am highly productive with them"

It feels like people should just be able to say "This article comes with the standard disclaimer" and just dive into the meat of the article without wasting time.

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