Is this just a marketing stunt? From a completely ignorant user, doesn't AI reeuqires high bandwidth ram (like the GPU)? Is really DDR5’s bandwidth enough?
Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
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Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
#52I thought it was a pricing mistake. But no, you just have to select the variations. $42,412.00
So a new car, or an AI rig. That's a bitter pill to swallow. Most of this is the cost of the Nvidia card, and the RAM.
Graphics:
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+$18,399 192 GB Dual NVIDIA RTX PRO 6000 w/ 1000W + 750W PSUs (non-refundable) +$37,239
Memory:
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192 GB DDR5 3600 MHz (4x48) +$1,874
Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
#53Is this just a marketing stunt? From a completely ignorant user, doesn't AI reeuqires high bandwidth ram (like the GPU)? Is really DDR5’s bandwidth enough?
> 192 GB GPU memory
Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
#54Anyone know why they chose a consumer grade CPU on this? I’m a little surprised to see a 9950X as the top option. There’s not enough PCIe lanes available to run everything without bifurcation. I imagine the GPUs probably aren’t too bothered generally… but the NVMe drives are likely to slow down as a result. A Threadripper ain’t cheap, but if you’re spending $45k on a workstation it seems like a weird place to skimp.…
You need far more absurdly expensive RAM (RDIMM/ECC?) for a threadripper. Like 4x more expensive.
Aye but at $45k you’re so deep already is that really worth the savings? It’s so much easier to manage a single system, and the performance will be in absolute terms better.
Truly, I get your point, but $45k is obscene for a workstation (because of the RAM shortage). I can’t fathom it being a reasonable decision[1] unless you’re able to churn an immense profit from it. And… if you can, it’s an expense that saves time, energy, and effort. If it is only profitable when $8k in price difference makes it viable, is that really worth the effort? An $8k increase making a difference, when you’re wholly dependent on the frontier (or near frontier) lab not releasing a model that makes your work(station) irrelevant— seems reckless. Couple that with the doubling of DeepSeek’s parameters for their flash model… and well the math just don’t math for my naive brain.
[1] I’m absolutely incapable of spending that much on a workstation so my opinions may be irrelevant… but I cannot understand the “stepping over quarters to save a penny” mentality[2].
[2] I could be missing the forest for the trees. As a result, I’d love to know how I am being shortsighted. I just can’t fathom a situation where an $8k surcharge in system RAM doesn’t make sense. It’s not about system RAM, it’s about GPU RAM, margins, and useful lifetime of the system.
Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
#55Is it more powerful than Apple silicon, or why would anyone buy this? Just for Linux? Oh, it's System76, that's why. Open hardware. Makes sense. Edit: Also Nvidia
Mac GPUs supposedly being fastest thing on Earth obsoleting everything NVIDIA is just pure marketing. It was just faster once than some midrange laptop NVIDIA, which conveniently wasn't explicitly marked as different chip sharing the branding with the desktop variant(oof).
The real benefits to going Mac is its quiet and discreet, high wife/CEO acceptance design, and their huge GPU-assignable shared RAM.
If you're okay with your desk being the wing top of a flying airplane, and 3M Peltor or David-Clark is your favorite working time headphone brand anyway, then your build will be faster and cheaper than a maxed out Mac Studio.
Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
#56$37,000 in GPUs. Man, I never expected another PC manufacturer to make Apple's top configuration look cheap by comparison.
Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
#57It only costs $40,000.
People routinely buy cars that cost double that. This is a machine that people that typically earn six figure salaries use to do their work on. Exactly the target demographic that would buy/lease expensive cars as well. And then those get used mainly to commute to work.
I don't really need one. But I do have a 4.5K mac book pro for work. Yes it's a bit overpowered. But it's the main vehicle with which I earn a living and it routinely saves me time by blazing through builds and generally doing things quickly for me. I have slightly more GPU on that thing than I need. But it's nice to have the option to experiment with some of the open weight AI models.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had to do a double take myself, scrolled down and arrived at a similar number. Wish I built this a few years ago!
Yeah, I bought a Thelio Major three years ago. I'm kicking myself for not going dual-4090s for a mere $10K back then.
Hopefully it will come down to that price point or cheaper again in the next 3-4 years?
Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
#59I thought it was a pricing mistake. But no, you just have to select the variations. $42,412.00
I wonder what the target audience for this price range is? At that price point I would rather go for a single H100.
Re: Thelio Mira AI Linux Workstation: 192 GB GPU Memory
#60Is it more powerful than Apple silicon, or why would anyone buy this? Just for Linux? Oh, it's System76, that's why. Open hardware. Makes sense. Edit: Also Nvidia
Mac GPUs supposedly being fastest thing on Earth obsoleting everything NVIDIA is just pure marketing. It was just faster once than some midrange laptop NVIDIA, which conveniently wasn't explicitly marked as different chip sharing the branding with the desktop variant(oof). The real benefits to going Mac is its quiet and discreet, high wife/CEO acceptance design, and their huge GPU-assignable shared RAM. If you're oka…
For me the operating system (and ecosystem in general) is one of the biggest reasons I use a Mac, but the unified memory pool is a benefit too. I am still distraught about the gaming situation though.