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Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by bbor »

cowl wrote: post #99
bbor wrote: post #27

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…are you sure a brave stance against safety and welfare is what we need in this moment? Why do you think your conception of the dangers are more accurate than all the scientists who have spent their lives studying this?

Anthropic's stance on safety it's just PR management and their hope to keep the others down, they are rushing as blind as everyone else to whatever improvement they can achieve.

Interesting stance. Out of curiousity, where did you do your doctoral research in AI or cognitive science? Where have you published your rebuttals to the overwhelming consensus?

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by SXX »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #325
bbor wrote: post #27

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…are you sure a brave stance against safety and welfare is what we need in this moment? Why do you think your conception of the dangers are more accurate than all the scientists who have spent their lives studying this?

AI safety efforts from OpenAI and Anthropic are purely about brand safety.

Nope. AI safety efforts is part of their attempts at regulatory capture.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by naveen99 »

ungovernableCat wrote: post #199
rao-v wrote: post #20

As I also said on Twitter - it really amazes me how fearless Deepseek are. Every single model release is packed with new and crazy clever ideas and somehow, they always commit to training them at near frontier scale. I know everybody wants the tell all story of the clever ideas that were developed over the last ~3 years at Anthropic and OpenAI, but what I really want to thumb through is DeepSeek's notebook of "brilli…

Its CEO allegedly holds a 84% stake and he's the same guy who founded the hedge fund that funds it. Deep pockets + simple control = perfect culture to just hire talent and let them go wild without worrying about financial viability, as long as the king CEO is fine with it that is

i think the hedge fund wasn't really successful. They are venture / govt. funded just like the americans.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by jasonjmcghee »

tarruda wrote: post #282
kmike84 wrote: post #269

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Unfortunately no, it's 200B + 552B. It's not as bad as it sounds though, because most of 552B is in 4bit natively.

Darn, for a moment I thought it would be possible to run in 128G T.T

Actually... https://x.com/antirez/status/2098121665771110540

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by bbor »

15155 wrote: post #48
bbor wrote: post #27

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…are you sure a brave stance against safety and welfare is what we need in this moment? Why do you think your conception of the dangers are more accurate than all the scientists who have spent their lives studying this?

This is known as an "appeal to authority." "Scientists" and "their lives" are doing a lot of work here.

Yes, it's called expert epistemology, it's the basis of your entire life. Or do you do your own safety checks of every airplane you get on? Do you do your own research rather than trusting doctors? Do you think climate change doesn't exist because the reason we think it exists is because experts say it does, despite the fact that it snows sometimes?

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by bbor »

swiftcoder wrote: post #61
bbor wrote: post #27

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…are you sure a brave stance against safety and welfare is what we need in this moment? Why do you think your conception of the dangers are more accurate than all the scientists who have spent their lives studying this?

> scientists who have spent their lives studying this Please point me to one actual accredited scientist who has spent a lifetime studying AI alignment? Pretty much this whole field is only 5 years old

I... that's hard to even know how to respond to. If you think the field is 5 years old, you should not feel comfortable expressing opinions about it.

A cursory search of the relevant wikipedia articles would do you wonders.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by bbor »

Alwayshasbeeb wrote: post #167
adamzenith wrote: post #113

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The field is much older, MIRI is ~20 years old. Look up Eliezer Yudkowsky.

Eliezer Yudkowsky is not a scientist. He made a popular Harry Potter fanfiction series and a "rationality" blog-community that attracts "human biological diversity" enthusiasts.

Elizer Yudkowsky is a scientist, despite writing something you dislike 20 years ago and also having a blog. And no, he's not associated with race realism, that's just baseless libel.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by bbor »

kouteiheika wrote: post #52
bbor wrote: post #27

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…are you sure a brave stance against safety and welfare is what we need in this moment? Why do you think your conception of the dangers are more accurate than all the scientists who have spent their lives studying this?

Excuse me for not being interested in over 100 pages of how well the model can refuse and block my requests, especially considering how fun it is to waste my time trying to get around those restrictions when they inevitably trigger because the clanker thinks that I'm doing something naughty, all the while it can't reliably center the proverbial div without doing something stupid itself.

Yeah, that's annoying. BTW, have you ever choked to death on a cloud of invisible cobalt dust, desperately reaching for air but knowing that you and all you love will die regardless?

Pretty annoying, too!

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by tbugrara »

ekidd wrote: post #463
nozzlegear wrote: post #451

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> We should be paying attention to it just in case it ends up mattering enormously. It's cheap insurance. This sounds a lot like the argument some people give for praying and going to church even if you aren't a believer. "You should be doing it just in case God ends up being real."

On the other hand, we have recently taught rocks to think about software engineering. And while not perfect, they're surprisingly good at it. Once you start building things that are even a little bit like minds, I suspect that it's worthwhile to consider that the future might end up looking a bit like science fiction. The alternative is to insist that Nothing Ever Happens, and the future won't get too weird. Which is…

Right, but you can say that about literally anything can't you? We have to put our energy into leads. Where's the lead that model welfare matters?

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by nozzlegear »

breezybottom wrote: post #546
nozzlegear wrote: post #543

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What science has proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that nothing comes after death? I'm sure most of the human race would be very interested to read the white paper.

Science has proven that the earth wasn't created by a magical fairy 6000 years ago, yes. There's very little doubt about that among educated people.

I think even most religious people accept that bud, unless you're talking to a specific sect of evangelicals. It doesn't disprove religion or "magical fairies" [†] at all.

[†] r/atheism circa 2016 called and want their dorky terminology back.

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