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Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

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Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

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> it is super-reddit to diagnose If I see a person with a broken bone protruding from their arm, I don't need an undergrad med-terms class to know "this person needs medical attention" even if I am not qualified to render it. Similarly, there are certain thresholds of human behavior that indicate mental illness -- you don't have to be licensed to treat it in order to recognize that there is a serious problem.

actually interpreting the DSM-V and running diagnostics is exclusive to clinically trained psychologists and psychiatrists. even LCSWs are remiss to offer a 'diagnosis' after years of talk therapy with a client. most official diagnoses happen within a matrix describing a cluster of symptoms paired with an eval of severity and impact on life, and a battery of tests that have been empirically and rigorously validated a…

Why are people so eager to gatekeep who gets to call others mentally ill? I don't understand it. I don't have to be a doctor to say that someone who is constantly coughing and having a fever is sick, nor do I have to be a doctor to call someone with no legs disabled. What's different about mental illness?

I don't disagree that there might be more subtle cases that are hard to tell by a lay person. But Matt is not like that. You are free to read his posts from the WP Engine lawsuit, including his post on hacker news, or his prior posts from some tumblr moderation drama. To me, the consistency and degree of his actions crosses the boundary of "bad day at work" and lands firmly in the "crazy guy in the park screaming at squirrels" territory. In fact, I'd argue that if he doesn't have tech wealth and was instead working a more traditional white collar job he might have already ended up just like that.

Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

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post #105

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"Unfortunately" for whom? I'm pretty ok, even happy, with him out.

it just sucks to see someone who helped popularize something so many people care about change (at least publicly) for the worse.

Exactly. I am very thankful for the experiences and community that WordPress has given me that I seriously consider that maybe Matt has been victim of a social engineering attack to make him be perceived as a little bit unstable... kind of like what happened with the xz backdoor attempt.

But, to be honest, I am not too well versed in the drama. IIRC it started because someone was building something on top of WP but was basically reselling something that was already free without contributing back? Maybe I'm mixing things up and I should really hit the sack.

Nevertheless, my concern lies mostly with the overall security of the platform, as I can imagine serious financial interests (and geological ones, too) might take the time to push out someone that knows the platform inside out.

Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

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post #354

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The biggest one was probably 2 years back, the dispute with WP Engine, a hosting provider for WordPress. He used WordPress infrastructure to force all instances hosted there to break, then removed the extensions they built from the plugin store, and then replaced them under the exact same name and identifier with his own. He then went on this site, and placed incriminating comments under posts discussing that, withou…

> He then went on this site, and placed incriminating comments under posts discussing that, without discussing it with his lawyers. As I recall, some of his posts indicated he was knowingly posting against the advice of his lawyers. Although he probably didn't discuss individual posts.

... and that's how screenshots of hn comments ended up in this federal court order [1, pg. 24]

[1] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.43...

Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

#364

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> it is super-reddit to diagnose If I see a person with a broken bone protruding from their arm, I don't need an undergrad med-terms class to know "this person needs medical attention" even if I am not qualified to render it. Similarly, there are certain thresholds of human behavior that indicate mental illness -- you don't have to be licensed to treat it in order to recognize that there is a serious problem.

actually interpreting the DSM-V and running diagnostics is exclusive to clinically trained psychologists and psychiatrists. even LCSWs are remiss to offer a 'diagnosis' after years of talk therapy with a client. most official diagnoses happen within a matrix describing a cluster of symptoms paired with an eval of severity and impact on life, and a battery of tests that have been empirically and rigorously validated a…

Come on, if you see someone naked on the street, screaming at a wall, eating a pigeon or whatever, are you really going to think:

"I don't know if this person is mentally ill or not, I need an expert to come here and apply the DSM-V"?

Oh and also, the DSM-V is not even used to diagnose those things ...

Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

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post #221

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Yes, I sometimes have a very low tolerance for idiots.

Hello matt this is your lawyer speaking. I am advising you today to please keep posting this shit

I'm just posting to say hi to the various paralegals and clerks putting together their exhibits in the case. Hope you're having a good one!

Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

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Sane people adapt themselves to the world. The insane ones persist in trying to adapt the world to themselves. Therefore all progress depends on the mentally abnormal. (Parody of a famous quote about "unreasonable man".)

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." — George Bernard Shaw, Maxims for Revolutionists [1] https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/26107/pg26107-images.ht...

and people misuse this quote to justify unreasonable behaviour that does not progress the world.

Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

#367

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actually interpreting the DSM-V and running diagnostics is exclusive to clinically trained psychologists and psychiatrists. even LCSWs are remiss to offer a 'diagnosis' after years of talk therapy with a client. most official diagnoses happen within a matrix describing a cluster of symptoms paired with an eval of severity and impact on life, and a battery of tests that have been empirically and rigorously validated a…

Why are people so eager to gatekeep who gets to call others mentally ill? I don't understand it. I don't have to be a doctor to say that someone who is constantly coughing and having a fever is sick, nor do I have to be a doctor to call someone with no legs disabled. What's different about mental illness? I don't disagree that there might be more subtle cases that are hard to tell by a lay person. But Matt is not lik…

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Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

#368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

actually interpreting the DSM-V and running diagnostics is exclusive to clinically trained psychologists and psychiatrists. even LCSWs are remiss to offer a 'diagnosis' after years of talk therapy with a client. most official diagnoses happen within a matrix describing a cluster of symptoms paired with an eval of severity and impact on life, and a battery of tests that have been empirically and rigorously validated a…

Why are people so eager to gatekeep who gets to call others mentally ill? I don't understand it. I don't have to be a doctor to say that someone who is constantly coughing and having a fever is sick, nor do I have to be a doctor to call someone with no legs disabled. What's different about mental illness? I don't disagree that there might be more subtle cases that are hard to tell by a lay person. But Matt is not lik…

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Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

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post #163

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Only to the extent the company pledged to do so. It did pledge, and the follow-up on that pledge was minimal.

> Only to the extent the company pledged to do so. Is this not the standard expectation? Does one typically add a gratuity when contributing to OSS? > It did pledge, and the follow-up on that pledge was minimal. So they kept the promise?

I don't know about standard behaviour, some people consider behaviour normal that I consider slimy.

I heard at the time that a WP Engine employee had told someone that his/her pledged "full time assignment" had shrunk to a small number of hours per week after a while. That's hearsay, I heard it from someone who doesn't work at either of the two companies and it must be third-hand. But if that were the case, and if the pledge didn't say how long the full-time assignment would be kept up, some people would say that the promise was kept. Those people probably also would say that you shouldn't trust a handshake agreement, and please have a lawyer check the written agreement, and if you run an open source project, copy the policies Oracle has for JDK.

What I say is that there's a conflict waiting to happen, if one of the parties expects the pledge to be kept up for a significant period of time and the other expects to tiptoe away shortly later.

Re: Automattic's board forces CEO Matt Mullenweg into leave of absence

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> One person speculated that the timing may have something to do with Mullenweg’s annual trip to the Burning Man festival, after which he tends to return “with ideas.” This line is so perfectly on the nose it could be in a McSweeney's article and yet here it is in reality. We are truly on the weirdest timeline.

> line is so perfectly on the nose

Hehe.

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