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Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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It's a market. Why can't someone buy it? Why does it matter that homes "aren't clean" while Google is? That's silly. There's going to be the same level of demand no matter what - the same mix of coal and nuclear inputs will happen regardless of where the outflows are. It's fungible. More demand will in time result in an increase in supply. That's a good thing. We'll be building a lot more, and it's long overdue.

Google is buying the output because they are increasing demand by half a nuclear power plant's worth of power. I actually think it's pretty reasonable to pass a law demanding they build an entire nuclear power plant here.

I think government regulations to put a cap on utility profits is a better long term move. Force excess to be directed into green energy expansion.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Politics means putting job creating infrastructure projects in red states to curry favor with Republican demographics.

Calling data centers “job creating infrastructure” seems like a bit of an oxymoron tbh

The company my brother works for (fairly small) is involved in the construction and maintenance of the electrical side of the data grid. Apparently they need to hire at least 20 people a month for the foreseeable future to keep up with demand, as they're already booked out with projects into 2030 or something like that.

Overall, it's not exactly a ton of jobs for how much money is going into them, but it isn't nothing.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Yes let's shame corporations for spending money on and supporting things that need more support. /s

Somehow folks want this little problem of climate change to go away without any change in their own behaviors. Somehow corporations who sell them goods will just magically "be green" while flying around the world and drinking out of plastic bottles and subscribing to the latest fast-fashion website. But then when the corporations say "yes we should be green" that's a problem too. You just can't please some people, th…

Don't forget that they buy countless things from China, who is by a very large margin the largest polluter in the world.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is buying the output because they are increasing demand by half a nuclear power plant's worth of power. I actually think it's pretty reasonable to pass a law demanding they build an entire nuclear power plant here.

I think government regulations to put a cap on utility profits is a better long term move. Force excess to be directed into green energy expansion.

> government regulations to put a cap on utility profits

I don't know about Finland specifically, but isn't this already the case practically everywhere?

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a market. Why can't someone buy it? Why does it matter that homes "aren't clean" while Google is? That's silly. There's going to be the same level of demand no matter what - the same mix of coal and nuclear inputs will happen regardless of where the outflows are. It's fungible. More demand will in time result in an increase in supply. That's a good thing. We'll be building a lot more, and it's long overdue.

Google is buying the output because they are increasing demand by half a nuclear power plant's worth of power. I actually think it's pretty reasonable to pass a law demanding they build an entire nuclear power plant here.

If I build a house and the demand goes up I don't have to build the solar panels (and everything else involved) to cover it, I pay the utility company to build that based on how much I'm needing to use. Well, normally I pay for whatever they think will make them the most money to deliver that much electricity - Google is specifically paying to make sure the utility company sees it as increased demand and revenue for more nuclear.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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Politics means putting job creating infrastructure projects in red states to curry favor with Republican demographics.

Calling data centers “job creating infrastructure” seems like a bit of an oxymoron tbh

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Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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* good access to power (this might not mean the cheapest always, but actually getting to it. * easy permitting * lots of space

Which makes Arizona an interesting place to place any new builds of any sort of data center. They’ve been talking about the scarcity of resources there for years, and it’s currently in an escalating tailspin of abundance. Power is cheap as hell there, but once the water dries up… things might change quickly.

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Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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* good access to power (this might not mean the cheapest always, but actually getting to it. * easy permitting * lots of space

North Dakota and Alaska also have lots of space.

Alaska has a speed of light problem.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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post #29

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Somehow folks want this little problem of climate change to go away without any change in their own behaviors. Somehow corporations who sell them goods will just magically "be green" while flying around the world and drinking out of plastic bottles and subscribing to the latest fast-fashion website. But then when the corporations say "yes we should be green" that's a problem too. You just can't please some people, th…

Don't forget that they buy countless things from China, who is by a very large margin the largest polluter in the world.

I dont know why people bring this up. China has nowhere near the highest per capita pollution levels.

Re: Google will buy half the electricity from one of Finland's nuclear power plants

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At this point with all the free-market-hand waving going around, it feels like someone telling me that it's not urin raining down on me, just sparkling trickle down economics.

You now have a PhD in your pocket. Is that not the miracle of the free market? King Richard II would have killed for an iPhone, PS5, air conditioning, and Uber Eats. He'd swap places with you, and he was king. You don't realize how awesome you have it. Just a hundred years ago your ancestors were (probably) eating rotten meat and drinking unclean water.

> King Richard II would have killed for an iPhone, PS5, air conditioning, and Uber Eats. He'd swap places with you, and he was king.

I don't for a moment believe that, but apparently arguments that cannot possibly be proven are in vogue nowadays.

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