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Re: OpenAI Agents API

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>GPT Work runs on your own machines...is sort of the whole point. Which is also why they want to remove it from your machine. Call it conspiratorial, but I keep thinking about "You'll own nothing and be happy." It seems like the industry is quickly moving in a direction where devices are turning into gateway into the cloud, and personal computing will turn into a hobby that prices out the average individual.

I mean, they didn't say "you can't download the product of your work" or something.

Sure, but neither did I. I summarized the quote, but OP's full quote included the the value of having the work artifacts and works-in-progress on your system to look at. If you are developing software on a VM, there will still be tools to view the artifacts remotely, but this Agents API is still a sign of local development trending away.

Re: OpenAI Agents API

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> building your own harness is a huge undertaking, a deep rabbit hole. I eventually gave up on this task. It's not possible to fight OpenAI or Anthropic's engineering teams. Their reasoning models have all kinds of undocumented back door access to the base models that you'd never be able to replicate from the outside. Even if you had full access you would not have the engineering man hours or experience to keep up. I…

> It's not possible to fight OpenAI or Anthropic's engineering teams And yet, I find Pi so much better to work with than Claude Code.

I don’t find it better than Claude Code but much better than OpenCode. So I am curious why less is more in that context.

Re: OpenAI Agents API

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I think we’re still figuring out the right abstraction for offering agents as a product. - LLMs are a great foundation but building your own harness is a huge undertaking, a deep rabbit hole. - There are harnesses available as open source libraries but that’s still coupled to an environment. Where does the state persist? Like maybe I’m a Cloudflare worker and don’t even have a file system. Agent as a service like thi…

> building your own harness is a huge undertaking, a deep rabbit hole. I eventually gave up on this task. It's not possible to fight OpenAI or Anthropic's engineering teams. Their reasoning models have all kinds of undocumented back door access to the base models that you'd never be able to replicate from the outside. Even if you had full access you would not have the engineering man hours or experience to keep up. I…

I've been working on a custom managed agent (see my other top-level comment), I find it is actually a manageable undertaking. It does feel herculean, but somehow doable. I do not find their hidden reasoning tokens to be insurmountable as long as you match the behavior of codex or CC (which takes work, but, again, is doable). My managed agent harness currently matches Codex on several benchmarks like Terminal Bench.

Re: OpenAI Agents API

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I think the line between regular LLM "endpoints" and agents/harnesses is going to become more and more blurry until it's a meaningless distinction.

When you're using ChatGPT/Claude/Gemini etc. you're basically already interacting with some backend harness with tools etc., not a raw LLM. Just give it a computer and be done with it.

I already find myself using Claude Code / Antigravity (via web) instead of Claude / Gemini, even for tasks unrelated to coding. Why use a limited version?

Re: OpenAI Agents API

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I've recently had great success running codex in a regular qemu VM and using codex remote control to talk to it from my phone. Honestly works extremely well as a personal assistant. I can see why turning it into an API makes sense, just be aware you might not need to lock yourself in if you can setup your own VMs.

The key here is that they are _not_ just turning "running codex on a VM" into an API. Their harness is running outside a VM, interacting with a VM when needed. See the diagram in their post. This allows them to scale the agent runs independently from the VMs. That's why they call it "managed Codex harness", it's a different version than what you run.

Re: OpenAI Agents API

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I think the line between regular LLM "endpoints" and agents/harnesses is going to become more and more blurry until it's a meaningless distinction. When you're using ChatGPT/Claude/Gemini etc. you're basically already interacting with some backend harness with tools etc., not a raw LLM. Just give it a computer and be done with it. I already find myself using Claude Code / Antigravity (via web) instead of Claude / Gem…

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Re: OpenAI Agents API

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Buried in there, note you can opt to self-host your sandbox https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/agents-api/env... That makes this much more enticing, and potentially eases transition between providers.

Then why tf do i need their api

Re: OpenAI Agents API

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Since a week or so everything I ask codex to do, no matter how small, uses at least 1% of my weekly limits and like 5% of my 5h limit. It's getting so bad I'm thinking of just canceling my OpenAI subscription, because this has no use anymore.

I also signed up for a new account and it's right back to working how it used to. They absolutely do not consume tokens equally across accounts. I did TONS of work on the new account and barely made a dent, even on Astra. Old account chews through 20% like it's nothing

If true, that sounds like something that could actually be monitored by third parties, similar to the performance degradation trackers.
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