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Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Post by oblio »

WD-42 wrote: post #760
oblio wrote: post #617

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No. That's false. Riders will want a car to be at their location ASAP, or they will try to call another company. So the incentive will be to put/drive cars very close to where people are. That whole "cars will be stored at the periphery" is propaganda.

And this is worse than 2 cars in every driveway how?

If you live in the US, it's not worse. If you live anywhere else in the (developed) world, it is worse.

My hope is that the bottom-of-the-barrel US approach isn't shoved down the throats of everyone else just when we're finally managing to rebuild cities for people, not for cars.

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Post by bookofjoe »

phainopepla2 wrote: post #242
GrinningFool wrote: post #194

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With that many accidents, I'd assume bankruptcy if she didn't. re: 2) yes that was the point. She'd have to be paying multiple thousands in an assigned-risk pool policy with that record of at-faults.

An estimated 1 in 6 drivers in Los Angeles don't have insurance. I know at least a dozen people who have been hit by uninsured drivers, and that's not counting hit and runs, who probably are also mostly uninsured. The victim's own insurance will pay if they have uninsured motorist coverage (you'd be a fool not to have it, living in LA at least), but there is basically no punishment for the uninsured driver, assuming…

2002-2004 [most recent I could find] California Department of Insurance (CDI) study showed Los Angeles County’s uninsured driver rate at 24.0% (2002), 23.4% (2003), and 23.7% (2004).

https://www.insurance.ca.gov/

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Post by nonethewiser »

Tinned_Tuna wrote: post #492
nonethewiser wrote: post #477

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>If I could get around by bus, light rail, bike, and all of the wasted city space devoted to parking could be turned into more housing and amenities, that would be great. I guess it depends on where we're talking about. The majority of the US is not inside a city. So just diverting all resources into public transportation is only serving the metros. If we're talking about a small country then sure.

> The majority of the US is not inside a city. I think this isn't true for the US any more, maybe it hasn't been true for decades? WorldBank seems to have the ubranisation rate at around 80% for the US: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locat... There is a bit of a definitional problem, with people living in suburbs identifying as rural, as do folks in exurbs. I don't think they're considered rur…

Its not simply population. A vast majority of the area of the US is not in a metro.

You can say “well people need transportation , not land.” And that’s true. But what’s not necessarily true is that we want to cram more people into the cities as opposed to supporting a broader distribution of the population. We absolutely want the latter in terms of housing prices.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

fwip wrote: post #297
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #167

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Pedantically true. By population density, NYC is essentially the whole state, or what matters anyway, to the huge majority of residents.

About 60% of New Yorkers are outside of NYC.

And what fraction of the traffic?

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

Gigachad wrote: post #231
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #115

We'll have arrived at the automated transit network when they stop putting up road signs. The cars know where they are, and how to get there. Signs are for fallible ignorant humans.

GPS not nearly that reliable. There's a reason drones are moving towards computer vision rather than purely relying on GPS. The physical signs won't glitch out and show 100m offset because a tall building was reflecting GPS signals. Maybe in a 100% automated system we would replace the icons with QR codes or something but physical markers will likely be here to stay.

Human-readable? Why? Just sprinkle RFID tags in the roadway, and drive it and register the tags and GPS/Inertial frame with a database and now you know where you are with machine-readable 'signs'.

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Post by tossandthrow »

xnx wrote: post #828
tossandthrow wrote: post #596

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A better idea would just be to let drivers pay the real price for the infrastructure they occupy and their negative externalities. Then people would likely not have a issue with public transit.

An even better idea would be to let transit users pay the real price for the infrastructure they occupy and their negative externalities. Not many people would want to ride the subway if they had to pay the full price.

Surely you could occupy that position.

Just keep it in mind when you are stuck in your 12-lane city streets.

It is a weird position though. Public transport is good for car drivers as it reduces load on the roads. Regardless of that, car drivers loathe people in public transit.

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