Hey guys, I'm one of the organizers. AMA. - We are a team of undergrads at Caltech. We don't represent Caltech, any Caltech departments, or any of our sponsors. - We don't receive monetary compensation. All the funding raised goes toward paying our judges and participants. - Our goal is to promote responsible AI use. You can read more about our commitments here: https://mathathonchallenge.com/faq.html
Caltech Mathathon – first hackathon ever devoted to research level mathematics
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It is the top tier of humans in these fields that are making the significant breakthroughs. The top tier of breakthroughs are not being post on here (which are nowadays usually short form articles of not incredible quality). The code at start ups is not commonly in the top tier of a breakthrough. AI can do averaged work and derivations off what has gone before which Maths works very well for as there is a clear set o…
Pure cope.
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#103recent caltech grad here! and know some of the organizers well caltech's cs department is very, very weak, and has struggled to recruit top people in the last few years, and the most recent AI faculty hires have had issues. this is very slowly changing but a lot of the motivation for htis was to create a way for students to get ml "recognition" and learn about ai since it cant be done through the school right now. re…
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#108Math research is not just about stating a Theorem and giving a proof. It is about understanding the theory so that we can continue exploring various aspects. Such a Hackathon will only promote the solving part. Please stop this nonsense.
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#109Hey guys, I'm one of the organizers. AMA. - We are a team of undergrads at Caltech. We don't represent Caltech, any Caltech departments, or any of our sponsors. - We don't receive monetary compensation. All the funding raised goes toward paying our judges and participants. - Our goal is to promote responsible AI use. You can read more about our commitments here: https://mathathonchallenge.com/faq.html
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Serious question: Are you sure solving abstract mathematical problems with AI is responsible use? You will likely put mathematicians out of jobs, and I doubt solving the Collatz conjecture is urgent or will save lives. It also robs a future Fields medalist of the pride of doing all by themselves. All things AI seems to assume that more and faster is better, but there is no justification of that assumption. As a biolo…
I dunno, I like math and I still think automatically solving problems is worth doing. If problem-solving is a hobby then it will still be a hobby after all this. If it's about doing things for humanity--which it often is since many thousands of people are paid to do it--then doing it more efficiently benefits humanity. If the value on the other hand comes from people being extremely good at math, rather than from the…
I think the value comes from having people who have built very good intuition in a way that allows them to give explanations that make their ideas (new and old) accessible. Of course the most cutting edge math has become completely inaccessible for even many mathematicians, but at the same time, we've made massive progress in this regard. A hundred years ago college students might barely see calculus, and only serious researchers would see something like group theory. Today, many college students that aren't even math majors learn group theory and (we hope that) this gives them cognitive tools that they can apply in other situations (ability to axiomatize a concept, abstract reasoning etc).
The concern with how these tools are being used is that the current push by AI companies to solve math problems by chucking LLMs at them and producing a proof in Lean, and then using that as currency in the media to increase their stock value, undermines this process because it produces "proofs" without producing the understanding that actually allows humans to think better. All of this is then marketed as being the same as doing mathematics which it manifestly is not. If mathematicians lose the media war though, we'll have a generation of people who believe "math has been automated" and are unlikely to put in the effort to learn how to think for themselves.
To the extent that this event is intending to help the mathematical community find ways to use LLMs in pursuit of improving human understanding and intelligence, as the organizers seem to say it is, I think it's a very laudable goal. But I don't really see how this event is supposed to do that. It sounds a lot more like another fundraiser for team "isn't it cool that AI can produce useless chunks of computer code that compile to prove statements that the vast majority of the people commenting on these results don't even understand." For example, if it's really about finding ways to use LLMs to produce mathematics that improves human understanding, why is there even a requirement to solve a new problem? Why not make it explicitly about using LLMs to produce pedagogical content? Or if you really want it to be a new problem, why not add a requirement that the final product has to be accessible to a broad audience (say relying only on material in the undergraduate curriculum)?
P.S. There's another scenario where "not solving the problems" is morally justifiable: the scenario where the "solution" provides very little value (say because of what I said above - the solution just being a Lean artifact that adds very little to anyone's understanding), and the cost of solving the problem is extremely large. I know a lot of AI people are effective altruists, but before they could smell the IPO money I didn't see any of them talking about how if they had $20 million the most effective thing they could do with it is spend it in an extremely environmentally costly way in order to prove Navier-Stokes. Back before AI I seem to remember these folks talking about like... mosquito nets and malaria treatments?