Cognition, the same company that a few years ago demoed a coding bot purporting to be able to autonomously complete upwork tasks, but upon closer inspection was going off the rails and not even completing what was asked? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmgmwEtoWE As others have mentioned this is post trained from Kimi k3, which is already quite capable, so it can't be that bad, but any claimed improvements in perfor…
A friend recently pushed me to try out their coding platform, Devin, after I decided to move away from Cursor. I had the same reaction: "What, the con artists from like 2024?" But after some cajoling, I gave it a shot and was pleasantly surprised. I guess they learned their lessons, grew up, and are doing good work now, maybe?
Cognition launches new SWE-2 model, Rivaling Fable 5.1 and GPT-Astra
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Re: Cognition launches new SWE-2 model, Rivaling Fable 5.1 and GPT-Astra
#132If you're looking for reason to be skeptical, look no further than the massive delta between the Terminal Bench 2.1 (92.8%) and the Terminal Bench 4 score (27.3%). Terminal Bench 4 was released a couple weeks ago, so the difference you're seeing between the two scores can be interpreted as "how well does this model generalize to new problems"? More crudely: "how benchmaxxed is this model?"
Those 27.3% are still in the ballpark of modern models: - Sonnet 5 - 12.4% - Luna - 17.3% - Grok 4.6 - 20.3% - Sol - 37.3% - GLM 5.3 - 41.8% - Opus 5 - 51.8%
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#133Re: Cognition launches new SWE-2 model, Rivaling Fable 5.1 and GPT-Astra
#134I think I'm probably in the minority here, but for my line of work, the software engineering and coding is only a small part of the work. I write simulation software, so a deep understanding of physics, math, and how they can be applied to the software is absolutely crucial. I'm assuming this model is tuned to be more focused on SWE topics, and the very reason we seek "multidisciplinary" hires is the also why I actua…
I'm also in simulation software! Wondering which models you are finding helpful, the models I'm using for general SWE skills are horrible at our simulations and even basic physics/engineering calculation and intuition
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Benchmaxxing is the default case, and always has been. It's really, really difficult to avoid it even when you care to stop yourself; and it's not even just a problem in machine learning, it's the standard failure mode of all minds capable of learning, human, animal, artificial. Even pure genetics has this problem. Viruses and cancers also demonstrate this behaviour, with the bench being evolution's only option: repr…
Why would I adapt myself to unseen environments unnecessarily?
Re: Cognition launches new SWE-2 model, Rivaling Fable 5.1 and GPT-Astra
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Benchmaxxing is the default case, and always has been. It's really, really difficult to avoid it even when you care to stop yourself; and it's not even just a problem in machine learning, it's the standard failure mode of all minds capable of learning, human, animal, artificial. Even pure genetics has this problem. Viruses and cancers also demonstrate this behaviour, with the bench being evolution's only option: repr…
Why would I adapt myself to unseen environments unnecessarily?
Re: Cognition launches new SWE-2 model, Rivaling Fable 5.1 and GPT-Astra
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Benchmaxxing is the default case, and always has been. It's really, really difficult to avoid it even when you care to stop yourself; and it's not even just a problem in machine learning, it's the standard failure mode of all minds capable of learning, human, animal, artificial. Even pure genetics has this problem. Viruses and cancers also demonstrate this behaviour, with the bench being evolution's only option: repr…
Why would I adapt myself to unseen environments unnecessarily?
Re: Cognition launches new SWE-2 model, Rivaling Fable 5.1 and GPT-Astra
#138Cognition, the same company that a few years ago demoed a coding bot purporting to be able to autonomously complete upwork tasks, but upon closer inspection was going off the rails and not even completing what was asked? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmgmwEtoWE As others have mentioned this is post trained from Kimi k3, which is already quite capable, so it can't be that bad, but any claimed improvements in perfor…
A friend recently pushed me to try out their coding platform, Devin, after I decided to move away from Cursor. I had the same reaction: "What, the con artists from like 2024?" But after some cajoling, I gave it a shot and was pleasantly surprised. I guess they learned their lessons, grew up, and are doing good work now, maybe?
Re: Cognition launches new SWE-2 model, Rivaling Fable 5.1 and GPT-Astra
#139Not sure it matters when devin is the most consistently shit product I've used. And yes, I tried again, they wasted the money on the billboards.
I have not met a single person/company that uses Devin… does anyone here actually use it?
> Devin CLI is easily the worst-in-class coding harness I've ever been subjected to using, rife with bugs (up to and including dropping answers to the question tool), so I can't say I'm exactly inspired to try anything else the company produces.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
SWE-2 is free to use for users like yourself for the next month, and almost all usage should be supported via our CLI ( https://docs.devin.ai/cli ) :) Disclaimer: I work at Cognition, although was not involved in SWE-2
I just gave it a try and it doesn't appear to be free, it used up some of my on demand usage. It does say 75% off though. Seems like for Pro subscribers SWE-1.7 is free, maybe SWE-2 is free for them?