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Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

#301
It’s interesting how things have changed in 25 years. Around 2001, Microsoft was crusading against open source and facing an antitrust lawsuit with Netscape.

Now 25 years later, MS runs its cloud businesses with Linux, and their development in Rust.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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This makes strategic sense in multiple ways: 1. Rust's memory safety design will help Microsoft improve a gigantic portfolios of products that have been known to have lots of CVEs and 70% of them are memory safety issues, according to Azure CTO Mark Russinovich's talk at RustCon last year.[1] 2. Windows 11's forceful push to retire millions of legacy PC hardware by putting Windows 10 EOL last October was absurd for m…

At least 67% of your comment has nothing to do with this article.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

#303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real numbers. I can't say what directly, but you can make a good guess if you read my comment history. (I don't think this would be worth your time, but you could)

Btw grok found out in less than ten seconds what place you refer to and likely what software within that company. Things that wouldn't be worth your time before are trivial these days with LLMs.

...including rewrites into another language

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

#304

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> Try, but what skills are work keeping? We need something cogntive, but not everything. Are you trying to be funny?

Work should be worth. I'm not sure if that is me or autocorrect.

It was unintentionally funny then :-)

If I'd accidentally written a comment asking whether the intellectual skills I am losing are worth keeping, and make 2x spelling errors in a single short sentence, I'd find the unintended irony hilarious.

(but that's me, maybe you don't find accidental errors that you make to sometimes be funny)

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

#305

It’s interesting how things have changed in 25 years. Around 2001, Microsoft was crusading against open source and facing an antitrust lawsuit with Netscape. Now 25 years later, MS runs its cloud businesses with Linux, and their development in Rust.

They've changed business model from selling software (windows, office, terminal server) to selling services (cloud services, user surveillance/exfil, advertising). The OS is just a vehicle to drive those service streams: maybe it's even a loss leader?

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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I just looked and I think what I'm talking about, where they folded more specific permission callouts under a broad term "Full disk access" "local devices" etc used to be more granular before they updated that UI to match the iphone. If I got a jumpscare permission prompt on macos, I used to actually be concerned. Now they're all jumpscares for basic stuff. But I could be misremembering. I haven't liked any of the re…

If you really want to see what is doing what, you should install Little Snitch and Little Flocker. Many apps (from exactly the people you'd expect) are doing absolutely unhinged nonsense that no-one should put up with.

I didn't know about Little Flocker and BlockBlock, I'll have to check these out. I do a lot of game modding dev work and people are using mods as attack vectors all the time now and it's made me wanting to ebpf lockdown everything.

Between quick mod tools and even just the mods watch out nowadays. That vibe coded new game tool for a game you've played 10 years and never seen before could be just vibe coded malware slop, especially if its asking to sign software or bypass it. Now gamers are getting used to disabling security stuff just to play games.

I've never actually looked at this list, I've used lulu but they have a ton of security tools https://objective-see.org/tools.html

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

#307

I hope announcements like this show that Rust is not a fledgling little language that moves fast and breaks things anymore. It's a mature, serious competitor to well established languages like C++ and C#. This is particularly important when trying to compare the experience of using Rust to other languages in the "better C/C++" space like Zig and Odin -- these are much newer and have more rough edges than Rust.

I'm personally a big fan of garbage collected languages. It's just unfortunate that Microsoft chose C# not to be Ahead-of-Time (AOT) compiled but running on a virtual machine like Java (after which it was modeled after).

Alas, that ship has sailed and Rust has many interesting features so I'm comfy with it taking over the role of C/C++ over the next decades.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Those interested in this may find the following articles of interest: Microsoft goals [edit: err, Microsoft hiring manager vision-casting goal ] to convert 1 billion lines of code to rust by 2030 via automated tooling enabling "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code": https://thenewstack.io/microsofts-bold-goal-replace-1b-lines... DARPA work towards automating converting C code to Rust using a mix of 6 differen…

What with this llms not so good in rust mantra? Something changed? In my experience they are pretty good, but haters gonna hate.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

#310

It’s interesting how things have changed in 25 years. Around 2001, Microsoft was crusading against open source and facing an antitrust lawsuit with Netscape. Now 25 years later, MS runs its cloud businesses with Linux, and their development in Rust.

That grin will soon be wiped off their faces when Linux Mint takes over the desktop and wipes another one or two Trillion dollars off their market cap.
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