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Re: Amazon pilots ad services in ChatGPT

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Post by geodel »

denverllc wrote: post #4
jerf wrote: post #3

When ads are inevitably folded into the prompts to the AI, I imagine it'll be fun for a bit to prompt the AI to react with disgust to the idea of having to serve some ad. Until they fix that hole. I hate that the progression is so predictable. Yeah, clearly labelled ads today. Less clearly labelled tomorrow. Then they'll be indistinguishable from the text of the AI but still separate. Then they'll start folding it in…

Right now it’s only for the free tier, but given the recent trends I imagine it will make its way to paid tiers. Just consider how even paid streaming services are bringing in ads, or how TVs were caught using ACR to spy on us.

Well they are being generous giving you extra 15 min video streaming which cost a lot to produce for free in a 45min show.

Soon, one need to be tipping advertising producing partners for their hard work.

Re: Amazon pilots ad services in ChatGPT

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Post by geodel »

ryandvm wrote: post #18

Did anybody think this wasn't going to happen? They weren't going to burn a couple trillion dollars of capital and lose money on every API call just so you could ask it to tell you why your cat brings you dead mice. They're going to pump this shit so full of advertising it's not going to be funny. And worse, it's going to be incredibly subtle and insidious. You're not even going to realize the responses are guiding y…

Yes, there are enough people who still think this won't happen despite very conclusive recent history of this exactly happening.

Just like there are enough people who think if there were no car dealership/ salesman car would become cheaper as if car makers are full of morons who leave extra margins to buyers instead of themselves.

Or streaming service beats the shit of out cable in being cheap, ads-free and all in all better user experience. Once true, no longer.

Also funny that tips will go away when one visits self-serve in restaurants, coffee shops etc.

I guess a lot of folks are too drunk on "This time it will be different".

Re: Amazon pilots ad services in ChatGPT

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Post by geodel »

paxys wrote: post #37
cmiles8 wrote: post #30

Nobody wants this. Seriously what problem are we solving for here apart from Amazon trying to justify burning a giant pile of cash for OpenAI?

> Nobody wants this. Sure, but a billion people presumably do want to keep using ChatGPT for free.

Well, even payment is no guarantee that ads won't be injected into service. even these fucking movie theaters sho like 20-30 min of ads before showing movie people paid for.

Re: Amazon pilots ad services in ChatGPT

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Post by jerf »

ppalata wrote: post #28
jerf wrote: post #3

When ads are inevitably folded into the prompts to the AI, I imagine it'll be fun for a bit to prompt the AI to react with disgust to the idea of having to serve some ad. Until they fix that hole. I hate that the progression is so predictable. Yeah, clearly labelled ads today. Less clearly labelled tomorrow. Then they'll be indistinguishable from the text of the AI but still separate. Then they'll start folding it in…

> Then they'll be indistinguishable from the text of the AI but still separate. Then they'll start folding it in to the AI prompts. Then they'll start folding it in at the training phase so the weights themselves drive you towards Thinking Ford First, this step being inevitable because it almost certainly will be by far the most effective of all of these techniques. Opus 7.2 Brought To You By Mountain Dew. Just a coi…

So, while it's tempting to be cynical and sarcastic, my honest answer is that I expect them to try it, and it would actually be a value judgment as to whether that constitutes ignoring the law.

Common Law-based systems prioritize the consistency of precedents. As a result, the real law is often built on the margins, to borrow an economics terms. Which means that in a sense, we find out what the law "really says" by someone first breaking it and someone else challenging them. What I expect to happen is that we will eventually get to the point that someone is going to judge that the value of trying this is more than the expected value of the resulting lawsuit, and then this will eventually get to trial, and then, a couple of years later, we'll "know" whether or not this is breaking the law.

But there is a sense, a real, non-sarcastic sense, in which until that point, we don't really know if it's illegal or not.

Most of Europe does not operate under Common Law, so this may seem strange.

Re: Amazon pilots ad services in ChatGPT

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Post by pllbnk »

ppalata wrote: post #16

This is not meant to be tongue in cheek comment but has anybody figured out how the companies manage the "everyone is going to be replaced in a year" rhetoric while also working hard on ads that are clearly designed for humans to consume?

Companies are driven by people oriented at the next quarter's goals to maximize their stock portfolio's value. Nobody cares what will happen, everybody just creates narratives.

Re: Amazon pilots ad services in ChatGPT

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Post by shevy-java »

> Advertisers value Amazon for its troves of shopping and streaming data that can be used to improve marketing precision.

Thankfully I don't see their AI slop spam, not only due to ublock origin but because I have now made it my mission to support all who wish to eliminate ads on this planet. Since greedy corporations such as Amazon never learn, the counter-movement must help make ads totally obsolete. The sooner the industry accepts and learns that pestering folks is no longer acceptable, the better.

Re: Amazon pilots ad services in ChatGPT

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Post by paxys »

cmiles8 wrote: post #55
paxys wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody wants this. Sure, but a billion people presumably do want to keep using ChatGPT for free.

That plan only works if they manage to drive Google et al out of business, and there’s zero evidence of that happening at this point. There’s no more ad $ coming to the table, just a battle for the same $. If anything, things like Google putting really good AI right in search is making OpenAI’s efforts increasingly a hopelessly uphill battle.

Ads follow eyeballs. If people are spending time on ChatGPT then why won’t advertisers pay for ads over there?
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