JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
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JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
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Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#2I hope at some point we'll get AOT-only mode (or compile to native) and maybe even cross-compilation.
Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#3I hope at some point we'll get AOT-only mode (or compile to native) and maybe even cross-compilation.
We have that in Codename One, yes it's not really "Java" but it compiles bytecode AOT and cross compiles to some of the platforms.
Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#4Excelsior JET did that 25 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET
It's a shame that Sun/Oracle never partnered with them to bring native apps. This could have saved Java on the desktop.
Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#5Excelsior JET did that 25 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET It's a shame that Sun/Oracle never partnered with them to bring native apps. This could have saved Java on the desktop.
IBM's J9 had AOT for a long time too. I wonder how JEP 544 compares.
Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#6So we've gone full circle again?
I suppose write once run anywhere is no longer a goal either.
"It is not a goal to support all CPU architectures currently supported by HotSpot."
This pretty much validates the point of view that VM design is now baggage, as a sandbox it has been flawed, for performance it's been prohibitive, and cross platform portability by virtue of being virtual, was just a convenient byproduct.
AI now handles the portability, sandbox security hasn't changed (cf. docker still has sandbox problems, LLMs have sandbox problems, it's always an ongoing concern) and that just leaves Java, as always, chasing performance.
Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#7I hope at some point we'll get AOT-only mode (or compile to native) and maybe even cross-compilation.
If you haven't checked it out yet, GraalVM's Native Image [1] already let's do AOT compilation suitable for distribution. You have to do some configuration to deal with reflection and dynamic class loading since there's no JVM in the produced build, but it comes with tooling to simplify that. And that restriction is being addressed by Project Crema [2].
[1] -- https://www.graalvm.org/latest/reference-manual/native-image... [2] -- https://github.com/oracle/graal/issues/11327
Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#8So we've gone full circle again? I suppose write once run anywhere is no longer a goal either. "It is not a goal to support all CPU architectures currently supported by HotSpot." This pretty much validates the point of view that VM design is now baggage, as a sandbox it has been flawed, for performance it's been prohibitive, and cross platform portability by virtue of being virtual, was just a convenient byproduct. A…
The very next sentence after the one you posted is "We expect normal porting activities to eventually add support for all major architectures." Goals and non-goals inform the scope of the proposal. Given this is effectively an "add-on", I don't think it's unreasonable to prioritize the most popular platforms. Others will continue to execute Java perfectly fine in JVM mode.
Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#9I hope at some point we'll get AOT-only mode (or compile to native) and maybe even cross-compilation.
progress, not perfection! Java is on fire right now with new stuff landing. We'll get there!
Re: JEP 544: Ahead-of-Time Code Compilation
#10Excelsior JET did that 25 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_JET It's a shame that Sun/Oracle never partnered with them to bring native apps. This could have saved Java on the desktop.
Don't forget GCJ. It wasn't removed from GCC until about 2016, a nearly 20-year long run, though interest had waned many years prior.
I don't remember if GCJ supported loading and running code dynamically with a built-in JIT or interpreter. I think it was just pure AOT, which caused some compatibility headaches.