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All grown-ups were once children, but only few of them remember it

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Re: All grown-ups were once children, but only few of them remember it

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Post by DerArzt »

Aeolun wrote: post #176
DerArzt wrote: post #163

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At least in the USA, due to the lack of social safety nets I have to disagree. It's very much work or starve. Yeah you can try to change your perspective, but unless your in a privileged situation where you have a safety net (i.e. a wealthy family to support you if things go wrong) then it's difficult to stop thinking about it.

Yes, it is work or starve. But you are going to work anyway. Thinking about the starve component doesn't help you enjoy it at all.

I wish that "just stop having x thoughts" was a thing I could control.

Re: All grown-ups were once children, but only few of them remember it

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Post by zingababba »

HenrikPontoppid wrote: post #8

I remember reading once about how Astrid Lindgren's children's books were supreme exactly because she - contrary to many others - remembers what it is like to be a child. Not just what you did or thought when you were a child - how it felt. The endless curiosity and appreciation for what in an adult's eyes is trivial is really a special thing I hope most people carry throughout their lives. On the other hand, childre…

Speaking of Dostoevsky Prince Myshkin in 'The Idiot' is a fine portrayal of this archetype. In fact I believe at one point it is mentioned that most adults dislike him while children are drawn to him or something to that effect.

Re: All grown-ups were once children, but only few of them remember it

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Post by sublinear »

baliex wrote: post #36
sublinear wrote: post #15

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Everyone remembers, but ADHD is overrepresented in the high-level positions of leadership.

I can’t tell if you’re implying that those with ADHD are more likely or less likely to think and act in a childlike way. Or whether doing so or not is what causes the over representation in high level positions. Could you please elaborate? My understanding is that ADHD would make you more likely to behave in childlike ways as an adult, but not that that would necessarily lead to holding leadership positions. I’m genu…

I'm not going to argue splitting hairs about what ADHD is. Many of the most famous CEOs and startup founders have properly diagnosed ADHD and have been very vocal about it. This is also often true of any business owner you've met in real life. I didn't think this statement would get any pushback since not too long ago the front page of HN was touting this as a "superpower".

The high-functioning expression of impulsivity is impatience with processes and insistence on maximum efficiency. I guess lately this is seen as negative because of the zeitgeist around AI?

Tao is talking about this impatience.

> Prematurely putting such games to an end by immediately providing the nominal goal --- for instance, providing these children with a brief lecture on infinity and the unbounded nature of the natural numbers --- defeats the entire "purpose" of such curiosity-driven play

It's not that they don't remember playing as children, but that they resent the time spent on it as "wasteful". They do mean well by trying to squash play time, but yes of course that's harmful and naive.

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Post by 9x39 »

skinfaxi wrote: post #191
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #169

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It's gambling. I think pretty much all carnival games work like that.

Fundamentally, doesn't gambling require a potential payout that is more valuable than the initial input? If you can only ever get less than you put in that's not really a gamble is it?

One well-known definition of gambling is whether it has 3 components: a prize, runs on chance, and requires consideration (payment).

That consideration > prize isn't part of this common definition.

Re: All grown-ups were once children, but only few of them remember it

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Post by triceratops »

throw0101a wrote: post #145
shifto wrote: post #92

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My kids love something like this we see every year at the traveling fair. It's the same idea but with rubber duckies floating around and having to catch them with a small pole with a hook attached. It's €20 for 2 kids to have 2 minutes of fun and the payoff is a €1 Aliexpress/Temu pollution generator disguised as a toy. They play with it for a day before it ends up in the trash. The first few years I hated this for e…

> It's €20 for 2 kids to have 2 minutes of fun […] They play with it for a day […] Seems to me it's €20 for a day (8h? 16h?) of fun. That's not bad value: how much does a movie ticket cost for 2-3 hours?

You missed the part where they could just buy the toy for €2.

Heck they could run their own carnie games at home with Temu toys. Invite the kid's friends and it would be just as fun.

Re: All grown-ups were once children, but only few of them remember it

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Post by triceratops »

giov4 wrote: post #107
astura wrote: post #100

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I would have killed to play carnival games like that when I was a kid but they were absolutely strictly forbidden, because 1) they are obviously not worth the price (scam) and 2) prizes are just junk that we didn't have room in the house for anyways. You can just say no. I have never played a single one of those types of games in my life because once I was old enough to work I understood my parents point of view. I'm…

is there a price or cost for happyness? which lesson is it exactly?

Is gambling happiness? I prefer to teach my children about more enduring sources of joy.

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Post by ethbr1 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #150
throw0101a wrote: post #144

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> And every miss heightens the excitement for the eventual lolly scramble. People under-appreciate (or have forgotten) that a lot of happiness is is related to anticipating as opposed to getting . I think if more people focused on the journey or the process (or the (present) moment), versus the goal, there'd be more joy/happiness around.

> People under-appreciate (or have forgotten) that a lot of happiness is is related to anticipating as opposed to getting Shoppers & hobbyists who spend too much time browsing gear are well aware of this though generally don't like to admit it to themselves... There was (I believe) a Korean app for people to fake shop so they get all the dopamine of the hunt without the cost of actually buying anything.

HeisenShop sounds like a great app idea for shopaholics -- automatically don't buy / cancel random or exceeding-monthly-budget items without telling the user.
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