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Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by ozgung »

Happened to me recently, but on Claude.

I resubscribed to Claude Code two weeks ago for a side project and updated it. I checked for the setting after these last events and it was turned on. I'm sure I checked them few months ago. There are cases like accepting a new TOS or an offer, which make you accept to share without noticing. I guess they can add all of your past conversations to the public training set before you notice and there is no way of taking this back.

So that "opt-out" thing is more like a pause button rather than a permanent thing. Or something to legally protect the company without losing the users.

There is also the case of security classifiers always monitoring your conversations. If they flag something they use your conversations to "improve their internal models" even when you "opt-out".

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by threetonesun »

mcmcmc wrote: post #82
xboxnolifes wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh they aren't a frontier on this. Undoing user configuration is well tested in Windows land.

This is a problem everywhere, Apple does the same thing on MacOS by reverting privacy/security grants to apps

Reverting... to on? I've seen some stuff in Apple-land where I'm pretty sure it went back to the default option after an update but I've never seen anything get granted more permissions.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by Insanity »

innocent_name wrote: post #92
ALLTaken wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…

I do trust Anthropic, i haven't observed them doing super shady stuff like hiding the training consent page and making you WAIT for it to activate.

You really shouldn't trust any company. Their goal is maximizing profit and that is (usually) not aligned with "doing what's right". Not in the long-term at least.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by ovi256 »

That's because OpenAI has several "do not train on my data" controls, and you may be using only one.

First one: "Settings > Data Controls > Improve the model for everyone > Switch off the toggle"

The other one is "OpenAI Privacy Portal" > "Do not train on my content" https://privacy.openai.com/policies?action=AUTOMATED_DECISIO...

Why are there several? You probably need an ML PhD to get it /s

Does using all of them achieve "do not train on my data"? I wish we could find out.

Do you think if you'd be in the race to train your own pocket God (as the CEOs of the frontier labs think they are) you'd let yourself be slowed down by such things as privacy duties?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by spongebobstoes »

Centigonal wrote: post #76
spongebobstoes wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what makes the company so terrible?

IDK about "terrible," but: - OpenAI is the first AI lab to pioneer ads in consumer AI - Anthropic seemingly exists primarily because top OpenAI researchers lost faith in the company's commitment to AI safety - They had the CEO drama in 2023, with evidence that suggests people in a position to know were doubtful of Sam Altman's honesty and motives - They were tripping over themselves to kiss the ring after Anthropic g…

thanks for diving in, though I don't find the reasons convincing as I will briefly enumerate

ads fund access for poor people. Ant has a different philosophy, not a better one. Altman was supported by >90% of employees. OAI DoW deal includes technical safeguards against misuse (missing from Ant deal). Loopt and WorldCoin dont seem terrible or even relevant, Altman doesn't even have OAI equity

I don't think OAI are the "good guys", but I don't see convincing evidence that they are terrible

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by dpz »

innocent_name wrote: post #92
ALLTaken wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…

I do trust Anthropic, i haven't observed them doing super shady stuff like hiding the training consent page and making you WAIT for it to activate.

I mean weren't everyones privately shared chats Google searchable?
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