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Got a shitty old Casio here. Does the job.
Sounds like a mighty fine watch. Simple, cheap, fulfills requirements with no scope creep.
Keeps time better than my friend's Rolex too :)
Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
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Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
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Eh, I hope Apple continues to provide this and it forces the needed discussion about how two-party consent requirements are nonsensical. Why should it be illegal for me to remember exactly a conversation that I participated in, instead of only being allowed to have a vague recollection? Laws like this provide cover for abusers and deceivers, by preemptively spoiling objective evidence and making any accusations depen…
> Eh, I hope Apple continues to provide this and it forces the needed discussion about how two-party consent requirements are nonsensical Really disagree on this, I think all states should be two party consent, personally. > Why should it be illegal for me to remember exactly a conversation that I participated in, instead of only being allowed to have a vague recollection? It's not illegal, it's just that the other p…
People are fucking liars. Everyone, everywhere, always.
I want to record every conversation surreptitiously, because that’s the only way to catch them.
The reason we can’t is because our politicians and legislators are the biggest liars of them all. It would spell their immediate downfall.
Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
#93Can this be disabled?
Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
#94That’s going to be a hell of a security risk for us. I think it’ll be a no watches policy in the office going forward.
Surely you'd also have to ban phones and other devices with microphones? All these devices can trivially be set up to record, so if your goal is full security, you should be a no phones workplace.
Given how much people tend to get distracted by their phones, I am surprised most workplaces do not have a phone ban.
Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
#95There has always been the myth/rumor/belief that our devices are always listening. I wonder if this is an overton window moment, get people used to a device actually listening and slowly move to all devices listening.
Our devices are always listening, if you have them set up to listen for hail words like "Siri" or "Hey Google," so I think the Overton window on listening already shifted about 10 years ago. The device actually recording/transcribing what it hears is newer, but you're right that it's becoming more and more normalized. With Granola, I think most people assume that any video call is being transcribed, even if there's n…
It depends what you mean by ‘listening’. If you look at how this actually works - it’s basically only ever looking for a certain waveform
‘Listening’ sort of implies intelligence is paying attention to what is said. It’s more ‘hearing’ than ‘listening’
There are documents on how these activation words work
Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
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Already do that in some situations.
The watches have had a microphone for ages haven’t they? Why does this feature change things? Unless it can’t be turned off?
Yeah but it's pretty obvious when someone has one recording. Now it's not. And it's impossible to tell which version of the watch people have.
Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
#97Alarming normalisation. Issues I see off the top of my head:
- Governments can now learn even more about you when they confiscate your device.
- Devices confiscated at airports provide a full history of you.
- Privacy issues: will my conversation with someone using this tech truly be private? Do I have to be careful what I say around everyone by default? Always have clear thought out opinions?
- Personal relations: spouses, friends, relatives demanding to see your history to check up on you and what you've been 'thinking'?
- Society where nothing can be assumed to be private by default
- Slippery slope to a future where you have always on location, cameras, mics for everyone with a mobile device. A complete reshaping of society. Therefore being unable to count on previous societal norms
Anyone got any other issues they can think of?
Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
#98There has always been the myth/rumor/belief that our devices are always listening. I wonder if this is an overton window moment, get people used to a device actually listening and slowly move to all devices listening.
The myth is that the devices are streaming audio back to be ingested into ad/recommendation algorithms, which is testable and generally not true. I really wish these conversations would shift to the scarier truth: companies collect so much metadata on everyone that they can make pretty good guesses without processing what you're saying. If you think "oh hey I was just talking about socks, how did they know to show me…
> If you think "oh hey I was just talking about socks, how did they know to show me an ad for socks"
Or you’re talking about socks because of the previous ad for socks you saw. I suspect ads drive our collective behaviour more than we realize.
Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
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It is "not stored" "not recorded".
It is "recorded" by the Apple Watch's microphone, "stored" in the Watch's Secure Exclave, transferred and "stored" in the paired iPhone's Secure Exclave where it is transcribed, then trimmed of fluff words, then uploaded to Private Cloud Compute for summarization and trimming "sensitive info", then back down to the phone, and then deleted off both Secure Exclaves. The summary is synced through iCloud to the Siri app…
Is the speech to text happening on the watch and then the transcription is getting summarized on the phone? If so, the argument may not be as clear cut IMO.
Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening
#100This is, I believe, a felony in Massachusetts. https://www.romanolaw.com/can-i-record-a-conversation-in-mas... (Linking to discussion, not the statute, because it confirms that it is in fact enforced.) Come to think of it, this would also include smart glasses, etc. And whatever those LG devices were doing. Paging the AG...
Eh, I hope Apple continues to provide this and it forces the needed discussion about how two-party consent requirements are nonsensical. Why should it be illegal for me to remember exactly a conversation that I participated in, instead of only being allowed to have a vague recollection? Laws like this provide cover for abusers and deceivers, by preemptively spoiling objective evidence and making any accusations depen…
It's not illegal for you to remember, it's illegal for you to record. There's a difference.
For me, I don't want to live in a world where if I say something embarrassing or not well thought out, someone pushes a button and the last 15 seconds is transcribed as evidence. That's a different world to the previous one where it would be someone's word fori it.
As for the fact that phone could already do this, that's not the point. Phone users have to go out of their way to make it happen so it's generally unlikely to happen. The watch feature though is always on and just waiting for you to press "save last 15 seconds"